From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V4 #43 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, February 9 1999 Volume 04 : Number 043 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Alloy: Well, it looks like things got worse... ["Ulfstedt, Louise" ] Re: Alloy: Does She Or Doesn't She? [Kathleen Truelove ] RE: Alloy: Does She Or Doesn't She? [William Krzysko ] Re: Alloy: Does She Or Doesn't She? [RThurF@aol.com] Alloy: stupid conversation [RThurF@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:27:12 +0200 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Alloy: Well, it looks like things got worse... Lucinda, So very sorry to hear about this tragic event,...my condolencies. As for suggestions, I think it's wonderful that you are already considering what you can do for her,...I can only say give her and her children love & support. One of my good friends lost his girlfriend under similar circumstances some years ago, and he's said that the strong support of his family and friends is pretty much what got him through,...shock, despair, grief and guilt were all things he went through, and at first, he had great difficulties talking about it,..(there seems to be some taboo about discussing this difficult & tragic subject,) but talking is what he felt like doing later on,...in this, grief councelling helped him, but there is little better than the love & support of family and friends. I do hope that your sister-in-law and your family find their way back to happiness someday,...but in the meantime, my deepest sympathies to you,... Lissu > -----Original Message----- > From: Lucinda L. Frattarola [SMTP:llfrat@netreach.net] > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 1999 5:58 PM > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Alloy: Well, it looks like things got worse... > > > > I don't know what to do. My brother-in-law commited suicide yesterday. > He drove his tow truck right into the Delaware river...I'm at a loss of > what to do. He was the husband of my husband's sister. I wasn't close to > him. He left behind 2 kids one 6 and one 3. I'm not that close to his > sister, who was a bridesmaid at our wedding. She's taking it well. What > do I do? > > Lucinda > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 07:59:19 GMT From: jacksonhome@home.com (Lee Jackson) Subject: Re: Alloy: Well, it looks like things got worse... I'm sorry to hear about what happened - you and your family have my condolences. I lurk here most of the time, but this time I can't - the situation calls for a response. There are a couple of things I have to say, which I hope will at least point you in the right direction. I know from first-hand experience that feelings and emotions can twist your head around, and the extreme load of feelings caused by any event of this magnitude can be both confusing and overwhelming once the facts of the matter set in. If you have a health plan with counseling coverage, do *not* hesitate to take advantage of it at the first sign of need. Delay will only make matters worse, even if the problem is that you just don't know how to feel. Don't be put off by the thought of going for this kind of help - it's help, plain and simple, and everyone needs it now and then. Get it if you need it, and don't feel bad about doing so. If you don't have such coverage, look for a "Samaritan Center" listing in your phone book. This service provides counseling from social workers at a rate determined by a sliding income scale. While sessions tend to be held in church offices, the counseling can be as religious or non-religious as you desire. As for the direct family, let them take their own course at first unless they specifically ask you for advice. If asked, I'd recommend to them what I've recommended here to you. A professional's help is unmatched, so let the pros help if at all possible. Finally, fire up your newsreader and look into the soc.support.* newsgroups. If you need a quick fix of group therapy, there's a small but helpful bit to be found here. Good luck to you and everyone involved. I wish a good recovery to all. // Lee Jackson (jacksonhome@home.com) // http://gameaudio.3dportal.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:52:55 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Alloy: Re[2]: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy - --IMA.Boundary.3844648190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >About the caber tossing vs the football, I'd like to see and Englishman toss a >caber any day at the games. The Englishmen aren't normally tossers. - --IMA.Boundary.3844648190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns1.baxter.com ([159.198.180.56]) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 3.11) id 000FCC5A; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:26:11 -0600 Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by ns1.baxter.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02254 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:25:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.204.144]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA06821; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:20:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id QAA15520; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:19:43 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id QAA15506 for alloy-outgoing; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.disney.com (0@mail.disney.com [204.128.192.15]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id QAA15501 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from minnie.online.disney.com (mailhub.online.disney.com [206.18.28.71]) by mail.disney.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24634 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:19:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [206.18.67.206] by minnie.online.disney.com with ESMTP; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:06:46 -0800 Received: from [206.18.91.128] by mailhub.online.disney.com with ESMTP; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:06:44 -0800 Message-ID: <36BB6092.5B115C5F@online.disney.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 13:20:18 -0800 From: Kathleen Truelove X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Re: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: if it's not scottish.. References: <7ce82a61.36bb1ae0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.3844648190-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:51:06 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: i - --IMA.Boundary.3844648190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >Another fact of the Scottish. Stomach cancer rates among men were abnormally >in certain population centers and it was turning up at fairly early ages for >said disease. Turns out those rascally Scotsmen were all living near >storehouses full of the ageing national beverage of ill repute. They were >tapping the kegs before their time. Thus it was discovered that one should >not drink Scotch before it has aged properly for more reasons than just >flavor. Deep fried Mars Bars probably don't help, either. A+ John - --IMA.Boundary.3844648190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns1.baxter.com ([159.198.180.56]) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 3.11) id 000FABC5; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:37:31 -0600 Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by ns1.baxter.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28962 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:36:51 -0600 (CST) Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.204.144]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA10330; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id LAA10380; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:31:26 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id LAA10358 for alloy-outgoing; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id LAA10344 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:30:59 -0500 (EST) From: DThurkirk@aol.com Received: from DThurkirk@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HLLDa03212 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:22:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7ce82a61.36bb1ae0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:22:56 EST To: alloy@smoe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: if it's not scottish.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.3844648190-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:59:09 +0200 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Alloy: Re[2]: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy heh heh! Excepting my ex of course!! LOL! Lissu > -----Original Message----- > From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com > [SMTP:John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com] > Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 5:53 PM > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Alloy: Re[2]: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly > Re[2]: Alloy > > > >About the caber tossing vs the football, I'd like to see and Englishman > toss a > >caber any day at the games. > > The Englishmen aren't normally tossers. << File: cc:Mail note part >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:02:51 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re[2]: Alloy: Well, it looks like things got worse... - --IMA.Boundary.3616648190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part > > I don't know what to do. My brother-in-law commited suicide yesterday. > He drove his tow truck right into the Delaware river...I'm at a loss of > what to do. He was the husband of my husband's sister. I wasn't close to > him. He left behind 2 kids one 6 and one 3. I'm not that close to his > sister, who was a bridesmaid at our wedding. She's taking it well. What > do I do? > > Lucinda > Once again, I reply to mails before reading all the messages in my inbox. Therefore my crass comments on cabers & Mars Bars are ill-timed and inappropriate. Please accept my condoloncies and apologies. Best wishes, John - --IMA.Boundary.3616648190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns1.baxter.com ([159.198.180.56]) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 3.11) id 0010117C; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:37:53 -0600 Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by ns1.baxter.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA05127 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:36:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.204.144]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA28812; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 02:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id CAA26699; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 02:32:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Feb 1999 02:32:58 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id CAA26672 for alloy-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 02:32:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from teleste.fi (root@teleste.fi [212.213.16.8]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id CAA26662 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 02:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from obelix.teleste.fi ([212.213.16.9]:6416 "EHLO obelix.teleste.fi" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by teleste.fi with ESMTP id <291317-3462>; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:58:54 +0200 Received: by obelix.teleste.fi with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:27:16 +0200 Message-ID: <514B833CB5E4D1118E320008C724B24B667DE6@obelix.teleste.fi> From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" To: "'alloy@smoe.org'" Subject: RE: Alloy: Well, it looks like things got worse... Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:27:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.3616648190-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:24:44 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: if it 's not scotti... While one of 300 odd people watching a Scottish League Division 3 game at Berwick Rangers, I partook of this peculiar snack which I'm sure was a haggis pie. I'd had haggis before in Edinburgh, but had never envisioned it encased in soggy pastry. the_copse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:24:38 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Alloy: He's going to do it!! Alas you've missed the boat there Robin, for he was married two weeks ago on Saturday!! <> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:59:58 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Well, it looks like things got worse... Lucinda, I was heartbroken to hear of the tragedy in your family. As Lissu remarks, it truly is wonderful of you to be thinking of how you can help your sister-in- law and her children. Many times in the case of suicide, those who are left behind have not only to deal with the death itself but in addition, the fact that the person took their own life can cause close friends & family to feel betrayed and angry that the person did not choose to talk their problems out with them before such an irrevocable decision was made. Your family may be experiencing this, but of course it would be made even worse by the additional sense of guilt at feeling so angry at someone you miss so much, and would've done anything for had they only alerted you to the fact they were feeling so hopeless that the only way they could see was suicide. Mostly the best thing is to be a friend to them, let them know you're there when they want to talk, and that it's normal to feel angry in these circumstances. You could suggest support groups where they can talk about what they are going through with others who've also had it happen within their families. It's going to be hard for them & they'll need support from all sides. Do they have a religious community to which they belong? frighteningly, some statistics show that when someone close has commited suicide there is a higher likelihood of the same thing happening within the same family or circle of friends later on. So keep an eye on things. This is what worries me the most, especially since the children are so young & may be having trouble coping with their feelings about this. Thanks for writing Lucinda, you have my sincere condolences & best wishes. This is the most confusing and devastating thing a family can go through. It will take time. All the very best, Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:01:45 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: He's going to do it!! In a message dated 2/8/99 5:38:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk writes: << Alas you've missed the boat there Robin, for he was married two weeks ago on Saturday!! >> Millions of single American women sensed a disturbance in the force that weekend.. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:10:09 EST From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Re: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: if it's not scotti... In a message dated 2/8/99 4:31:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk writes: << While one of 300 odd people watching a Scottish League Division 3 game at Berwick Rangers, I partook of this peculiar snack which I'm sure was a haggis pie. I'd had haggis before in Edinburgh, but had never envisioned it encased in soggy pastry. the_copse >> Would this go a ways toward explaining the Scots less than stelar football performance? __Dave T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:36:56 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Alloy: Re[2]: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy - --IMA.Boundary.2041948190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part In a message dated 2/8/99 4:31:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk writes: << While one of 300 odd people watching a Scottish League Division 3 game at Berwick Rangers, I partook of this peculiar snack which I'm sure was a haggis pie. I'd had haggis before in Edinburgh, but had never envisioned it encased in soggy pastry. the_copse >> >Would this go a ways toward explaining the Scots less than stelar football >performance? >__Dave T To enlighten our overseas readers, I must point out that despite playing in a Scottish league, Berwick are in fact English. To add to the mystery, there is a Scottish team called Gretna who play in an English league. A few season ago they played a Welsh team, Colwyn Bay FC in the English FA cup. Depending upon the management, Berwick field either mostly English or mostly Scottish players; if the boss is from Newcastle, then he brings all his English mates for a game; if he's from Edinburgh, then he will have contacts with Scottish players. This still does not explain why they are so crap, however. A+ John PS best food at a non-league english ground is at Farsley Celtic FC. - --IMA.Boundary.2041948190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns1.baxter.com ([159.198.180.56]) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 3.11) id 001028BC; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:27:43 -0600 Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by ns1.baxter.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA20517 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:26:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.204.144]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA25553; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id JAA03039; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:11:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:11:38 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id JAA03003 for alloy-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:11:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id JAA02992 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:10:59 -0500 (EST) From: DThurkirk@aol.com Received: from DThurkirk@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 1GUa020087 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:10:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:10:09 EST To: alloy@smoe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: if it's not scotti... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.2041948190-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 13:11:19 -0500 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Alloy: Does She Or Doesn't She? Hi, folks. My friend Tracey called today to yak my ear off (the workplace lull after the storm of activity - prepping the president & co. to go to Jordan yesterday) and she told me that, if I want, she can take me on a tour of the working sections of the White House (press briefing room, state dining room, etc., and the Oval Office.) I know this is dumb, but I'm really excited about getting to go in the Oval Office. My tour would be after normal work hours, so, hopefully, things will be quiet. So the question is -- do I sit in the President's chair at The Desk or not? (Now, I know I'd be thinking about the, uh, DNA exchanges that took place at the chair, but still...) It's so silly, but I have to admit a real rush at the thought of sitting at that desk. So, should I take a shot at getting in a little trouble, just to say I've done it, or do I just look around and say, "Wow."?? I have this thing about sitting in people's chairs. When my wonderful roommate at LSE had access to the research levels of the British Library (I didn't - wasn't a graduate student) she snuck me in so I could sit at Karl Marx's desk into which he'd carved stuff. When I visited the Homicide set in Baltimore, I *had* to sit at Detective Bayliss' desk and in the big comfy chair in Lt. Giardello's office. Don't ask me why - maybe it comes from the huge desk and chair my (very imperious and scary) father had in our basement. I was forbidden to sit at it, yet, when he was away once, I did, and I used his "top secret" stamp to decorate my Winnie the Pooh books. Covering the front of an heirloom-quality hardcover with no illustrations with the words "Top Secret" was a fairly unsubtle way of demonstrating I'd broken the rules. So, if you guys got to go into the Oval Office, would you sit in the big comfy chair? Just curious. Cheers, Melissa - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 12:53:35 -0800 From: Kathleen Truelove Subject: Re: Alloy: Does She Or Doesn't She? MacSuirtain, I certainly would sit in the chair at the Oval office. What an opportunity to see what the White house looks like. Go for it and let us know what it was like. Pax Aye, Kate;) MacSuirtain wrote: > Hi, folks. > > My friend Tracey called today to yak my ear off (the workplace lull > after the storm of activity - prepping the president & co. to go to > Jordan yesterday) and she told me that, if I want, she can take me on a > tour of the working sections of the White House (press briefing room, > state dining room, etc., and the Oval Office.) I know this is dumb, but > I'm really excited about getting to go in the Oval Office. My tour > would be after normal work hours, so, hopefully, things will be quiet. > So the question is -- do I sit in the President's chair at The Desk or > not? (Now, I know I'd be thinking about the, uh, DNA exchanges that > took place at the chair, but still...) It's so silly, but I have to > admit a real rush at the thought of sitting at that desk. So, should I > take a shot at getting in a little trouble, just to say I've done it, or > do I just look around and say, "Wow."?? > > I have this thing about sitting in people's chairs. When my wonderful > roommate at LSE had access to the research levels of the British Library > (I didn't - wasn't a graduate student) she snuck me in so I could sit at > Karl Marx's desk into which he'd carved stuff. When I visited the > Homicide set in Baltimore, I *had* to sit at Detective Bayliss' desk and > in the big comfy chair in Lt. Giardello's office. Don't ask me why - > maybe it comes from the huge desk and chair my (very imperious and > scary) father had in our basement. I was forbidden to sit at it, yet, > when he was away once, I did, and I used his "top secret" stamp to > decorate my Winnie the Pooh books. Covering the front of an > heirloom-quality hardcover with no illustrations with the words "Top > Secret" was a fairly unsubtle way of demonstrating I'd broken the rules. > > So, if you guys got to go into the Oval Office, would you sit in the big > comfy chair? > > Just curious. > > Cheers, > > Melissa > > -- > Melissa R. Jordan > Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios > Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts > http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:12:11 -0800 (PST) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: Does She Or Doesn't She? Damn right I would. And I'd ask my friend to take my picture there too, if that's possible! That's probably not possible. - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, MacSuirtain wrote: > So, if you guys got to go into the Oval Office, would you sit in the big > comfy chair? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:48:38 -0600 From: William Krzysko Subject: RE: Alloy: Does She Or Doesn't She? Of course you sit in the chair. The question is, do you put your feet up on the desk? - -----Original Message----- From: MacSuirtain [SMTP:wearart@erols.com] Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 12:27 PM To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Alloy: Does She Or Doesn't She? Hi, folks. My friend Tracey called today to yak my ear off (the workplace lull after the storm of activity - prepping the president & co. to go to Jordan yesterday) and she told me that, if I want, she can take me on a tour of the working sections of the White House (press briefing room, state dining room, etc., and the Oval Office.) I know this is dumb, but I'm really excited about getting to go in the Oval Office. My tour would be after normal work hours, so, hopefully, things will be quiet. So the question is -- do I sit in the President's chair at The Desk or not? (Now, I know I'd be thinking about the, uh, DNA exchanges that took place at the chair, but still...) It's so silly, but I have to admit a real rush at the thought of sitting at that desk. So, should I take a shot at getting in a little trouble, just to say I've done it, or do I just look around and say, "Wow."?? I have this thing about sitting in people's chairs. When my wonderful roommate at LSE had access to the research levels of the British Library (I didn't - wasn't a graduate student) she snuck me in so I could sit at Karl Marx's desk into which he'd carved stuff. When I visited the Homicide set in Baltimore, I *had* to sit at Detective Bayliss' desk and in the big comfy chair in Lt. Giardello's office. Don't ask me why - maybe it comes from the huge desk and chair my (very imperious and scary) father had in our basement. I was forbidden to sit at it, yet, when he was away once, I did, and I used his "top secret" stamp to decorate my Winnie the Pooh books. Covering the front of an heirloom-quality hardcover with no illustrations with the words "Top Secret" was a fairly unsubtle way of demonstrating I'd broken the rules. So, if you guys got to go into the Oval Office, would you sit in the big comfy chair? Just curious. Cheers, Melissa - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:59:45 -0600 From: William Krzysko Subject: RE: Alloy: Well, it looks like things got worse... Lucinda, My deepest sympathy. Please consider the advice everyone here has given you. I've gone through a similar thing with my father, the only other thing I can add is that it will get better. Just take one day at a time. Bill K. - -----Original Message----- From: Lucinda L. Frattarola [SMTP:llfrat@netreach.net] Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 8:10 AM To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Alloy: Well, it looks like things got worse... I don't know what to do. My brother-in-law commited suicide yesterday. He drove his tow truck right into the Delaware river...I'm at a loss of what to do. He was the husband of my husband's sister. I wasn't close to him. He left behind 2 kids one 6 and one 3. I'm not that close to his sister, who was a bridesmaid at our wedding. She's taking it well. What do I do? Lucinda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:37:08 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Does She Or Doesn't She? In a message dated 2/8/99 1:11:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, wearart@erols.com writes: << So the question is -- do I sit in the President's chair at The Desk or not? >> Sit in it!! and don't worry about DNA, I'm sure he's had it cleaned. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:04:46 -0700 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: Does She Or Doesn't She? Oh yeah you sit in it! Then, from that point on, whenever you see that desk and chair on TV, history books, whatever , you can smugly think to yourself - "I sat there once". Go for it! (but leave the cigars alone) - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 6:37 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: Does She Or Doesn't She? > >In a message dated 2/8/99 1:11:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, wearart@erols.com >writes: > ><< So the question is -- do I sit in the President's chair at The Desk or > not? >> > >Sit in it!! and don't worry about DNA, I'm sure he's had it cleaned. > >Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 22:36:48 -0500 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Re: Alloy: Does She Or Doesn't She? Keith Stansell wrote: > (but leave the cigars alone) Ewwww... errrrr... Close but no cigar carries such a different connotation now, no? I don't know if I'll be allowed to carry a camera in - security could either be much more lenient or much more anal considering that I'm coming in with a Nat'l Security Council director. We shall see. I'll let you all know when it happens. I'm really ticked off right now - after an exhaustive search, I found a copy of Nick Heyward's obscure "Postcards From Home" lp on a website in Italy. The guy only wanted $3.00 for it, hooray. Postage and exchange costs were three times that, boo. At long last, the lp arrived today. Pristine. Never been played. I headed straight to the turntable, only to find that the tip of my stylus had broken off - hate to say it, but it was Dolby that done it in - darn Whodini picture disk! I went to Myer-Emco, the creme de la creme of audio stores in town, and they just about laughed me out the door. Told me to go to Radio Shack. I went to Radio Shack, and they told me that my stylus was a special order - it'll take a couple of weeks to get one. Grrrrrr. The guy who looked it up for me was 21 and marveled over the stylus and cartridge. He'd never handled one before. He'd never used a turntable in his life. He said, "I think my parents had one once." !?!?!? Too weird. He'd never held an lp or 45 or even seen one up close in his life. Wild, eh? Oh, and an Oscar Meyer Wienermobile was parked next to me at Radio Shack. The Wienermobile people were chowing down at the Chinese cafe next door. - - Melissa - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:54:46 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Does She Or Doesn't She? In a message dated 2/8/99 11:11:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, wearart@erols.com writes: << The guy who looked it up for me was 21 and marveled over the stylus and cartridge. He'd never handled one before. He'd never used a turntable in his life. He said, "I think my parents had one once." !?!?!? Too weird. He'd never held an lp or 45 or even seen one up close in his life. >> no way! At least dj's still depend on them (those that do scratch/rap stuff anyway) The poor waif probably doesn't remember there being a time without MTV either, or pc's. When I think back to my own childhood now, I almost see it in sepia tones. Your story of trying to find a stylus brought back memories of being allowed to carry my own little record player in to get a new needle for it when I was around four years old. I still remember the slightly bumpy texture of the light blue carrying case, and being amazed when the guy at the store told me the needle was made of a diamond! I couldn't BELIEVE he was entrusting such a thing to me :) Robin T only 30.. yet feeling like an historic monument ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 00:08:55 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: stupid conversation An otherwise intelligent guy I work with said something so stupid today, that I thought I should come here & share it with all of you good people :) He saw the Ryuichi Sakamoto cd I had lying on my workbench & asked me what it was. I tried to describe it, and in doing so used the word 'synthesizer'. He cringed & said he hates synthesizers. I asked him what he meant & he said he really likes sampling & programming in music but not synthesizers. I said, what's the difference? He said, Synthesizers are so 80's! baffled again (this guy is 29 & should know better!) & still reeling from the experience, Robin T ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V4 #43 **************************