From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V4 #40 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Saturday, February 6 1999 Volume 04 : Number 040 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: if it's not scottish.. [DThurkirk@aol.com] Alloy: He's going to do it!! [Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.u] Re[2]: Alloy: if it's not scottish.. [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcga] RE: Alloy: He's going to do it!! ["Beth Meyer" ] i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: if it's not scottish.. [DThurkirk@a] Re: Alloy: He's going to do it!! [MacSuirtain ] Re: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: if it's not scottish.. [Kathleen Truelove > I'd like to take a moment to rmind everyone that the Scottish are the folks who invented haggis. Highlander Dave T of the clan McT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:07:45 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk Subject: Alloy: He's going to do it!! Sorry to do a big mail-about like some middle-class christmas letter, but I hope this is a bit cooler!! Well, I went round to see Boz Boorer last night - greatest guitar hero on earth, member of the stupendous Morrissey band, and the kind of guy who can keep a completely straight face while saying things like "I try not to have more than 15 guitars at once." He's a really nice bloke, and much more modest than I'd be if world famous producers kept ringing me up to go and record albums in America because there's no one else better that they know. It was about 10.30 by the time I got there so he suggested straight away that we go down the pub for a pint before closing time, and it was a great honour to buy a pint for the guy who's made most of the best music I've heard for the past five years or so, and who sits down with Morrissey to write songs on a regular basis. I stayed pretty cool sipping my orange juice throughout, which was good as I thought I'd fall down and start worshipping him at any minute. I did of course confess to being a 'mad fan', but he only looked faintly embarrassed, and had some good stories about what real mad fans are like - alot of Morrissey's addicts attach themselves to the band too. He also had a great story about when they went on TOTP to record Roy's Keane (playing live) and they did two perfect takes, after which it was the turn of Hansen, who not only were miming, but they even managed to get all that wrong. Afterwards they heard the young brats' manager instructing the overated dwarfs, "Don't talk to anyone unless I say they're important enough." I kid you not. Alloy section - Keith, thanks for your reassurances - he was as nice as you said! He didn't remember the shoes and socks incident, although he does remember the time in Salt Lake - on that occasion he got picked up by some nutty fans and chauffered around to every record store in town for the day. And, of course - he had a Dolby anecdote. He met him years ago in the States at an 80s thing with Flock of Seagulls and some others, at which Thomas was the MC, being hilarious and wearing a big top hat! Did anybody get to that one??? All Boz remembers is that there was a total sound failure in one side of the mix. Fascinating Morrissey trivia section - This is the weirdest bit - the album Southpaw Grammar, which I've probably forced most of you to listen to at one time or another, and is a tour-de-force of huge loud guitars, was originally conceived as a soft acoustic collection!! Boz played me a little of the this original cut, and it's so strange to hear big stuff like Reader Meet Author done almost Unplugged - they definitely made the right decision to amp the whole thing up to the limit. I also got an exclusive listen to an unreleased track called 'Honey something something something" I can't remember the rest, while Boz sang the vocals in the absence of there being a recorded track. We talked about Jack The Ripper, which is mine and Nadia's and Antony's favourite Moz song, and which Boz wrote the music for, and he told me that Moz was ecstatic with the song and was very keen on rerecording it as a possible a-side, and taking it on tour. Boz had bought a really good phase pedal for the intro in preparation for this, but when the tour came around Moz didn't mention it again. Ah, the mystical ways of the grat one. Guitars section - Boz has got all the guitars in the world. I was priviliged to hold/have a go on his 60s telecaster, on which alot of Southpaw was played, and his '52 Les Paul, which is about as cool as you can get. He also has a 70s Gretsch (his favourite) and sundry others I can't remember. He listed his amps, far too numerous to mention, but I saw alot of lovely looking Fender stuff stacked up to the ceiling in his cupboard. He also has thousands of pedals literally spilling out of every draw, and all of them are rare or antique or special in some way, and normally have a Morrissey anecdote attached to them. When we got back from the pub, he asked to listen to some of my stuff, so I played him Sunny Day, Binary, and Flying North all from the new album, and he didn't seem to hate them - he even started to try and strum along, which was pretty cool. He also played me some of his techno stuff! Rockabilly-techno he called it, but it was still pretty cool. Did I forget to mention that he's agreed to produce my album? Well, he said he was looing forward to it, and will be able to fit me in for a couple of days in April, or sooner, if Spider from The Pogues cancels his bookings!! I hope this isn't too boring, but if it was you've already given up reading, so that's OK. See you soon Tim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:33:13 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re[2]: Alloy: if it's not scottish.. - --IMA.Boundary.7055228190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >I'd like to take a moment to rmind everyone that the Scottish are the folks >who invented haggis. >Highlander Dave T of the clan McT ... and throwing telegraph poles, but they still can't beat the English at football. John - --IMA.Boundary.7055228190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns1.baxter.com ([159.198.180.56]) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 3.11) id 000F9691; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:05:08 -0600 Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by ns1.baxter.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA15243 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:04:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.204.144]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA00715; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id IAA07692; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:59:41 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id IAA07678 for alloy-outgoing; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id IAA07674 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:59:15 -0500 (EST) From: DThurkirk@aol.com Received: from DThurkirk@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id MBUa001221 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:57:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:57:41 EST To: alloy@smoe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Alloy: if it's not scottish.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.7055228190-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:42:01 -0500 From: "Beth Meyer" Subject: RE: Alloy: He's going to do it!! Hey, Tim; Thanks so much for sharing with us your wonderful meeting with Boz! That's so exciting, especially that he will be your producer! Wow! So, do you think you'll remember us when you're rich and famous? ;-) Many, many congrats, Beth Beth Meyer bethmeyer@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:22:56 EST From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: if it's not scottish.. Another fact of the Scottish. Stomach cancer rates among men were abnormally in certain population centers and it was turning up at fairly early ages for said disease. Turns out those rascally Scotsmen were all living near storehouses full of the ageing national beverage of ill repute. They were tapping the kegs before their time. Thus it was discovered that one should not drink Scotch before it has aged properly for more reasons than just flavor. Ahhhhh The Scottish. In a message dated 2/5/99 2:41:34 PM, you wrote: <<>I'd like to take a moment to rmind everyone that the Scottish are the folks >who invented haggis. >Highlander Dave T of the clan McT ... and throwing telegraph poles, but they still can't beat the English at football. John>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 13:50:48 -0500 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Re: Alloy: He's going to do it!! Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk wrote: > Did I forget to mention that he's agreed to produce my album? Well, he said > he was looing forward to it, and will be able to fit me in for a couple of > days in April, or sooner, if Spider from The Pogues cancels his bookings!! Tim, That's absolutely fabulous! Congratulations. I am a major league Morrissey fan (got my crash course in The Smiths in 1987, and I've been hooked on the man ever since) and I agree with you about the marvelous quality of his stuff over the past few years. Now, to work with Boz Boorer. You lucky (and, obviously, talented) devil. Vicariously thrilled to my toes, Melissa - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 13:20:18 -0800 From: Kathleen Truelove Subject: Re: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: if it's not scottish.. DThurkirk, Interesting fact about drinking Scotch Whiskey. I myself like a well aged brew. I couldn't handle drinking whiskey everyday. I only drink it or take a wee dram at the highland games. It can cause a person to speak unintelligable things and walk funny. About the caber tossing vs the football, I'd like to see and Englishman toss a caber any day at the games. Pax Aye, Kate;) DThurkirk@aol.com wrote: > Another fact of the Scottish. Stomach cancer rates among men were abnormally > in certain population centers and it was turning up at fairly early ages for > said disease. Turns out those rascally Scotsmen were all living near > storehouses full of the ageing national beverage of ill repute. They were > tapping the kegs before their time. Thus it was discovered that one should > not drink Scotch before it has aged properly for more reasons than just > flavor. > > Ahhhhh The Scottish. > > In a message dated 2/5/99 2:41:34 PM, you wrote: > > <<>I'd like to take a moment to rmind everyone that the Scottish are the folks > >who invented haggis. > > >Highlander Dave T of the clan McT > > ... and throwing telegraph poles, but they still can't beat the > English at football. > > John>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 21:29:03 -0000 From: Peter Fitzpatrick Subject: RE: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: if it' s not scottish.. whiskey ? YES PLEASE ! working my way through some now. I love some nice aged single malt scotch....hmmmmmmm even the bottles look nice - I keep 'em never mind watching an Englishman toss a caber....how about watching some Scotsmen , uh, rearranging some goalposts at Wembley hehehehe. - -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Truelove [mailto:Kathleen.McClelland@online.disney.com] Sent: 05 February 1999 21:20 To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Re: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: if it's not scottish.. DThurkirk, Interesting fact about drinking Scotch Whiskey. I myself like a well aged brew. I couldn't handle drinking whiskey everyday. I only drink it or take a wee dram at the highland games. It can cause a person to speak unintelligable things and walk funny. About the caber tossing vs the football, I'd like to see and Englishman toss a caber any day at the games. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:24:15 EST From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Re: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: if it's not scotti... In a message dated 2/5/99 4:21:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kathleen.McClelland@online.disney.com writes: << About the caber tossing vs the football, I'd like to see and Englishman toss a caber any day at the games. >> Hell, I'd like to see anyonw but a Scot eat a haggis! __Dave T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 18:39:35 -0500 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Re: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: if it's not scotti... DThurkirk@aol.com wrote: > Hell, I'd like to see anyonw but a Scot eat a haggis! > __Dave T Dave, I actually ate haggis pate (and I'm shivering at the memory right now) at this Scottish restaurant in Alexandria, Virginia. It was pretty foul (and damn expensive!) and I rank it up there with gefilte fish as "ethnic foods I can say I've tried to be a good sport and don't plan to consume again." Nasty, nasty, nasty. Stuck at home tonight. I was going to stay over at my friend Tracey's place tonight - gossip and red wine 'til dawn - but Tracey works the White House (Nat'l Security Council) and, sadly, she'll be at the office all night as they prepare to respond to the very unfortunate and imminent death of King Hussein. I think I'll get the sketchbooks and pastels out and just draw... - - Melissa - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 01:13:14 +0000 From: "I T Admin @ Govt Office North West" Subject: Re: Alloy: He's going to do it!! At 14:07 05/02/99 +0000, the_copse wrote: > >Did I forget to mention that he's agreed to produce my album? Well, he said >he was looing forward to it, and will be able to fit me in for a couple of >days in April, or sooner, if Spider from The Pogues cancels his bookings!! > >I hope this isn't too boring, but if it was you've already given up >reading, so that's OK. > >See you soon > >Tim > Great news. Are your feet back on the ground yet. Sounds like you had a great night, quite apart from knowing he's going to produce you. Whatever the outcome, it'll be a great learning experience for you. Well done. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 01:13:12 +0000 From: "I T Admin @ Govt Office North West" Subject: Re: Alloy: The Big Squeazy: Accordionists Unite! At 21:51 04/02/99 -0500, Crackers wrote: > > >>PS *I* play the acoustic guitar, you cad, but only for my own pleasure. >~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ > >No offense intended. And none taken, I assure you. I know you better than that. ANY instrument, well played, is worth listening to. It may not be my cup of tea, but I can appreciate good musicianship of all kinds. However, I think you're right on the button about playing something 'different.' I remember hearing an Ananda Shankar (Ravi's son, I think) album, 'Jumpin' Jack Flash' on which well known rock anthems were given an eastern treatment, heavy on the sitars. This was about '70-'72. It was quirky, but well worth listening to. In recent years I've tried to search out a copy, but to no avail. If anyone out there in Alloy land comes across one, grab it for me, will ya? Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:13:28 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: haggis & art In a message dated 2/5/99 7:14:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, wearart@erols.com writes: << I actually ate haggis pate (and I'm shivering at the memory right now) at this Scottish restaurant in Alexandria, Virginia. It was pretty foul (and damn expensive!) and I rank it up there with gefilte fish as "ethnic foods I can say I've tried to be a good sport and don't plan to consume again.">> When my dad was stationed in Europe during WWII he ended up in Scotland at one point, trying haggis for the first time (not knowing what it was) He didn't think much of it, and after they told him what he just ate, he thought even less of it. LOL! <> sounds like paradise to me. I'm almost done making my theatrical mask, then I have to make six Victorian-style crazy quilt squares & get them all embroidered by the 20th. These are both 'swap' projects I'm taking part in on my newsgroup (I send my mask in & get someone else's mask back.. same with the 6 quilt squares) Doing these swaps gives me lots of practice sewing & designing & I love to receive other people's work in exchange, but I have been yearning to just relax & do some drawing of my own one day soon. Speaking of future projects I still haven't found appropriate photos to work from for the painting I'm starting in another couple of months, for which I'd like Thomas to be one of the subjects. I've decided to just take sketches from the videos I have.. it will be even better than working from a photo because the model will be in motion & having a model in motion always (literally) gives more 'life' to the work. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 17:54:06 -0800 From: Kathleen Truelove Subject: Re: Alloy: haggis & art Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I've tasted good haggis and I've tasted a facsimile that was passed off as haggis. There's this 'Haggis in a Can' that is very good. We had it for breakfast on Christmas morning. To me haggis is sheep meat. You either like it or you don't like it. Eh, everyone to their own taste. I don't like mushrooms which I'm constantly teased about. Robin, good luck with your painting. Would love to see it after you are finished. Pax Aye, Kate;) RThurF@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/5/99 7:14:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, wearart@erols.com > writes: > > << I actually ate haggis pate (and I'm shivering at the memory right now) > at this Scottish restaurant in Alexandria, Virginia. It was pretty foul > (and damn expensive!) and I rank it up there with gefilte fish as > "ethnic foods I can say I've tried to be a good sport and don't plan to > consume again.">> > > When my dad was stationed in Europe during WWII he ended up in Scotland at one > point, trying haggis for the first time (not knowing what it was) He didn't > think much of it, and after they told him what he just ate, he thought even > less of it. LOL! > > <> > > sounds like paradise to me. I'm almost done making my theatrical mask, then I > have to make six Victorian-style crazy quilt squares & get them all > embroidered by the 20th. These are both 'swap' projects I'm taking part in on > my newsgroup (I send my mask in & get someone else's mask back.. same with the > 6 quilt squares) Doing these swaps gives me lots of practice sewing & > designing & I love to receive other people's work in exchange, but I have been > yearning to just relax & do some drawing of my own one day soon. > > Speaking of future projects I still haven't found appropriate photos to work > from for the painting I'm starting in another couple of months, for which I'd > like Thomas to be one of the subjects. I've decided to just take sketches from > the videos I have.. it will be even better than working from a photo because > the model will be in motion & having a model in motion always (literally) > gives more 'life' to the work. > > Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 17:56:06 -0800 From: Kathleen Truelove Subject: Re: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: if it's not scotti... How about a Native American???? LOL!! Pax Aye, Kate;) DThurkirk@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/5/99 4:21:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Kathleen.McClelland@online.disney.com writes: > > << About the caber tossing vs the football, I'd like to see and Englishman > toss a caber any day at the games. >> > > Hell, I'd like to see anyonw but a Scot eat a haggis! > __Dave T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 18:00:20 -0800 From: Kathleen Truelove Subject: Re: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: if it's not scottish.. Peter, Yeah, pass the whiskey and the Guinness. Oh My Guinness!!! I tried to toss a caber once. Almost fell over. It's a hell of a balancing act to be sure. It would be nice if Scotland was a wee bit more prominant in world football (as we americans would refer to as soccer). Pax Aye, Kate;) Peter Fitzpatrick wrote: > whiskey ? YES PLEASE ! > > working my way through some now. > > I love some nice aged single malt scotch....hmmmmmmm > > even the bottles look nice - I keep 'em > > never mind watching an Englishman toss a caber....how about watching some > Scotsmen , uh, rearranging some goalposts at Wembley hehehehe. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathleen Truelove [mailto:Kathleen.McClelland@online.disney.com] > Sent: 05 February 1999 21:20 > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: if > it's not scottish.. > > DThurkirk, > Interesting fact about drinking Scotch Whiskey. I myself like a well aged > brew. I > couldn't handle drinking whiskey everyday. I only drink it or take a wee > dram at > the highland games. It can cause a person to speak unintelligable things and > walk > funny. About the caber tossing vs the football, I'd like to see and > Englishman > toss a caber any day at the games. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 22:18:55 EST From: DThurkirk@aol.com Subject: Re: i Dinna have the stomach fer it formerly Re[2]: Alloy: if it's not scotti... In a message dated 2/5/99 9:05:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kathleen.McClelland@online.disney.com writes: << How about a Native American???? LOL!! Pax Aye, Kate;) >> Nah, Native American Cultures have better sense than to eat haggis. __Dave T ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V4 #40 **************************