From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V4 #34 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Monday, February 1 1999 Volume 04 : Number 034 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re[4]: Alloy: So near yet so far [John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpar] Alloy: Any musical advice? ["Ulfstedt, Louise" ] RE: Alloy: Problems all around it seems! ["Ulfstedt, Louise" ] Re: Alloy: on the plus side.. ["Michael and Denise Luckey" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:53:18 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re[4]: Alloy: So near yet so far - --IMA.Boundary.0079587190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Moi, ask someone what it means ? No, I asked the Thomas Dolby lookalike, Bengt, what it means. He's a decent sort of chap. John >Impressed....okay,...so who did you ask? >Heh heh,...friday afternoon is getting to me! >Lissu - --IMA.Boundary.0079587190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns1.baxter.com ([159.198.180.56]) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 3.11) id 000D55FB; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:54:16 -0600 Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by ns1.baxter.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA14354 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:54:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.204.144]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA11344; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id JAA14551; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:49:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:49:00 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id JAA14527 for alloy-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from teleste.fi (root@teleste.fi [212.213.16.8]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id JAA14522 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:48:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from obelix.teleste.fi ([212.213.16.9]:7688 "EHLO obelix.teleste.fi" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by teleste.fi with ESMTP id <291265-13902>; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:10:37 +0200 Received: by obelix.teleste.fi with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:42:48 +0200 Message-ID: <514B833CB5E4D1118E320008C724B24B667DBD@obelix.teleste.fi> From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" To: "'alloy@smoe.org'" Subject: RE: Re[2]: Alloy: So near yet so far Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:42:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.0079587190-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:34:01 +0200 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: Alloy: Any musical advice? Hello dear friends,... I was just wondering if those of you with musical connections have any advice to offer me? So excited as I was about the release of my first single this month, now I got a mail that seems to have changed everything into a nightmarish mess,... The producer I worked with for 4 years ( a chap called DJ Sasse,...some of you might remember my initial bust up with this guy,..), and whom I stopped working with because of his disinterest in releasing any of my music, has now decided he wants a piece of the pie,....he is claiming that he co-wrote the song I was supposed to be releasing this month with another producer....(which he certainly didn't,...I wrote the melody and lyrics) and is seeking legal advice. I know his reasons for doing this are purely personal, but he is signed to a label, whilst still I'm not at this point. He already has a reputation, and is reasonably well known on the house music scene. I'm not. Looks like this guy will try to finish my music career before it ever got of the ground,... Anyway,...the point is,.. He's claiming that he wrote the chord changes in the song,...does anyone know if he can claim royalties for this? In the meantime, it looks like this could affect my chances of getting a contract, let alone the single coming out,...no record company is going to back an unsigned songwriter up with a legal case, are they,...? Anyway,..if ANYONE has any advice, please let me know,...I'm desperate here,....and the song happens to be one of my favourites.... sorry to whine,...I'm terribly unfocused this morning,... yours, begging for words of wisdom,... Lissu > -----Original Message----- > From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com > [SMTP:John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com] > Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 5:53 PM > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Re[4]: Alloy: So near yet so far > > Moi, ask someone what it means ? No, I asked the Thomas Dolby > lookalike, Bengt, what it means. He's a decent sort of chap. > > John > > > > >Impressed....okay,...so who did you ask? > >Heh heh,...friday afternoon is getting to me! > > >Lissu > << File: cc:Mail note part >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:01:55 -0000 From: Peter Fitzpatrick Subject: RE: Alloy: Any musical advice? He's claiming he wrote the CHORD CHANGES ??????? Hahahahah - that is SO funny : he hasn't got a leg to stand on. I suggest you get a lawyer **now**. Nip this in the bud. Register the copyright - ask your lawyer how to do this. (sending yourself a sealed registered envelope **doesn't** count - it's a myth). A label will only know that there is a legal case if you tell them. Go get some professional advice. He is just "chancing his arm" as we say in Dublin. - -Peter - -----Original Message----- From: Ulfstedt, Louise [mailto:louise.ulfstedt@teleste.fi] Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 12:34 PM To: 'alloy@smoe.org' Subject: Alloy: Any musical advice? Hello dear friends,... I was just wondering if those of you with musical connections have any advice to offer me? So excited as I was about the release of my first single this month, now I got a mail that seems to have changed everything into a nightmarish mess,... The producer I worked with for 4 years ( a chap called DJ Sasse,...some of you might remember my initial bust up with this guy,..), and whom I stopped working with because of his disinterest in releasing any of my music, has now decided he wants a piece of the pie,....he is claiming that he co-wrote the song I was supposed to be releasing this month with another producer....(which he certainly didn't,...I wrote the melody and lyrics) and is seeking legal advice. I know his reasons for doing this are purely personal, but he is signed to a label, whilst still I'm not at this point. He already has a reputation, and is reasonably well known on the house music scene. I'm not. Looks like this guy will try to finish my music career before it ever got of the ground,... Anyway,...the point is,.. He's claiming that he wrote the chord changes in the song,...does anyone know if he can claim royalties for this? In the meantime, it looks like this could affect my chances of getting a contract, let alone the single coming out,...no record company is going to back an unsigned songwriter up with a legal case, are they,...? Anyway,..if ANYONE has any advice, please let me know,...I'm desperate here,....and the song happens to be one of my favourites.... sorry to whine,...I'm terribly unfocused this morning,... yours, begging for words of wisdom,... Lissu > -----Original Message----- > From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com > [SMTP:John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com] > Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 5:53 PM > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Re[4]: Alloy: So near yet so far > > Moi, ask someone what it means ? No, I asked the Thomas Dolby > lookalike, Bengt, what it means. He's a decent sort of chap. > > John > > > > >Impressed....okay,...so who did you ask? > >Heh heh,...friday afternoon is getting to me! > > >Lissu > << File: cc:Mail note part >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:04:16 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Alloy: Any musical advice? Hi Lissu I'm really sorry this is happening to you - I can't imagine anything worse than someone claiming one of your songs as theirs - I know exactly how you must feel about your songs - they're family. I don't know anything much about copyright, but if he had written the chords, with you doing the melody and words then he would of course be eligible for a co-writing credit. But I should imagine that the burden of proof would lie with him. I should imagine that it would be nigh on impossible for him to PROVE that he wrote anything - if he had written it he should have copyrighted it himself straight away when he supposedly wrote it. Not to do so must mean that he waived rights to it and therefore has no claim over it now. Of course that is all academic as he didn't write it anyway, but it shows that his legal position should be fairly weak. Certainly famous cases like The Smiths Vs Morrissey & Marr, and Laurence Tolhurst Vs The Cure went the way of the correct writers, although the details were different. There's a kind of Habeas Corpus thing that goes with songs, possession being nine tenths of the law etc, and especially if your new producer backs you up to the hilt I'm sure it'll work out for you. These things are sent try us, but if you see this guy in the street, make sure to spit in his eye for all of us. the_copse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:25:57 -0500 From: "Lucinda L. Frattarola" Subject: Alloy: Problems all around it seems! Hello All ! It seems like the bad luck is going around. I have my own to add - my husband lost his job Friday. I have to wonder, does anyone know any chants or something to ward the bad luck? I think we should get rid of it before it starts hitting other people on the list! :) Hope things are looking up you Paul and Lissu ! LL Frattarola ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:29:44 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Alloy: Problems all around it seems! surely the saving chant is 'May the Cube Be With You.' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:43:51 -0500 From: "Lucinda L. Frattarola" Subject: Re: Alloy: Problems all around it seems! >surely the saving chant is 'May the Cube Be With You.' Hmmm,tried that...Maybe I'm doing it wrong.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 06:50:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Charles E. Kemp" Subject: Alloy: Lissu's lament I don't really think you have much to worry about Lissu, since the basis of his argument is little more than chord progression. If that were a valid basis for copyright, then the Beatles and Stones would be far richer than they already are. And, on a side note... Melissa, could you please e-mail me your adress? I lost the original, although in light of your postal troubles that may have been a good thing... ****** Charles E. Kemp ****** cekemp@netcom.com ****** (812) 597-5950 ****** Just for the sake of it make sure you're always frowning, it shows the world that you've got substance and depth. - Neil Tennant ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:54:09 +0200 From: "Ulfstedt, Louise" Subject: RE: Alloy: Problems all around it seems! oh dear,...is there a mis-alignment of the planets of something?! Hope your hubby gets another one really soon! Best of luck,....and thanks to all who've written,... Lissu > -----Original Message----- > From: Lucinda L. Frattarola [SMTP:llfrat@netreach.net] > Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 4:26 PM > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Alloy: Problems all around it seems! > > > Hello All ! > > It seems like the bad luck is going around. I have my own to add - my > husband lost his job Friday. I have to wonder, does anyone know any chants > or something to ward the bad luck? I think we should get rid of it before > it > starts hitting other people on the list! :) > > Hope things are looking up you Paul and Lissu ! > > LL Frattarola ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:45:07 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Alloy: Problems all around it seems! look, just try and avoid 'I Love You Goodbye.' "Lucinda L. Frattarola" on 01/02/99 14:43:51 Please respond to alloy@smoe.org To: alloy@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Tim Dunn/JBA Heathrow/GB) Subject: Re: Alloy: Problems all around it seems! >surely the saving chant is 'May the Cube Be With You.' Hmmm,tried that...Maybe I'm doing it wrong.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:13:35 -0600 From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com Subject: Re[2]: Alloy: Any musical advice? - --IMA.Boundary.5752887190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hello peeps ! Bummer is copyright stuff; as you may or may not know, I am the webmaster for the unofficial Red Star 93 site set up in August 1998; now there's a rival Red Star site, set up slightly differently, but he has nicked some of my stuff off it, such as an image & text which is virtually the same as mine !!! Bordel de merde ! A+ John - --IMA.Boundary.5752887190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from ns1.baxter.com ([159.198.180.56]) by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 3.11) id 000DE2BD; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:28:09 -0600 Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by ns1.baxter.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA18579 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:27:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.204.144]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA19283; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id JAA29884; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:09:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:09:18 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id JAA29861 for alloy-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from splmta.jbaintl.com (splmta.jbaintl.com [193.131.80.68]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with SMTP id JAA29855 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:08:36 -0500 (EST) From: Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk Received: by splmta.jbaintl.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 8025670B.004DA5CF ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:08:07 +0000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: JBA HEATHROW @ SPL EXTERNAL@JBA To: alloy@smoe.org Message-ID: <8025670B.004BE18B.00@splmta.jbaintl.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:04:16 +0000 Subject: Re: Alloy: Any musical advice? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.5752887190-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:53:58 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Any musical advice? In a message dated 2/1/99 7:40:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, louise.ulfstedt@teleste.fi writes: << Anyway,..if ANYONE has any advice, please let me know,...I'm desperate here,....and the song happens to be one of my favourites.... >> Lissu, I'm sorry for your troubles. I don't know anything about the music biz apart from the basics, but I do know that you MUST get a lawyer so that you can properly stand up to this guy & knock down his asinine claims. Given the situation and your past acquaintance with him it will be obvious to anyone that he's only doing it out of bitterness, he's just lashing out to hurt you in whatever way he can & is doing so very viciously. I agree with the others that it sounds like he doesn't have a case at all. Your lawyer can beat up his lawyer. And yes, if you do see him on the street please spit in his eye for all of us! Tell us what happens with this case. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:07:29 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Problems all around it seems! In a message dated 2/1/99 9:28:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, llfrat@netreach.net writes: << It seems like the bad luck is going around. I have my own to add - my husband lost his job Friday. I have to wonder, does anyone know any chants or something to ward the bad luck? >> Lucinda this is terrible! I don't know any chants but I wish I did, I'm so sorry everyone's having such a tough time. As for Dave and I we're encountering multiple unexpected setbacks in setting things up for ourselves but we are forging on, circumstances be damned. I hope thiings will bee all right for you & your husband.. keep us posted. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:04:48 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: on the plus side.. ..the hat I ordered from Headspace on Thursday night arrived today! so quick! This is very honestly the best design I've seen for a hat of this style (and I'm not just saying this because it's from Headspace!~ :) & is made of the softest heavyweight cotton... the crown fits perfectly without slipping (unlike other hats of this general style that grab at the head & can leave those weird awful marks..) its brim slightly longer than usual (I need this to help keep sun off my horrid pallor in summer!) and best of all the adjuster in back is a simple, soft fabric strap with very beautiful hardware that gives the impression of antiqued brass. I love this hat & am completely impressed. In fact speaking of great clothes I saw a show over the weekend featuring London designers, including recent work by Vivienne Westwood, and a guy who designs clothes based on insect shapes - reminded me of Giger's "Alien" designs except with vivid colors! I've been gearing up to design my own clothes for years as some of you know, and I can honestly say that THIS very Headspace hat would make a great model for my own handmade hats eventually, simply because of its comfort & the classy design details. It's profile when worn is incredible & I look like such a bad ass in this. can't wait for summer, baby! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:40:43 -0500 From: MacSuirtain Subject: Re: Alloy: on the plus side.. RThurF@aol.com wrote: > I love this hat & am completely impressed. In fact speaking of great clothes I > saw a show over the weekend featuring London designers, including recent work > by Vivienne Westwood, and a guy who designs clothes based on insect shapes - > reminded me of Giger's "Alien" designs except with vivid colors! I've been > gearing up to design my own clothes for years as some of you know... Robin, someday, you *must* go to Hyper Hyper (High Street Kensington) in London. It's an indoor marketplace full of stalls run by all these young up-and-coming designer hopefuls. Amazing hats, marvelous clothes. The last time I was there, I bought this fabulous hat - enormous floppy brim, big black bow. Hard to find the right occasion to wear it, but there have been a few times it was just right. I think you'd have a great time just talking to the designers. Oh - and I do believe horrid pallor (or "horrid northern pallor") is IN this year. Besides, it always looks great on gorgeous goth girls! Actually, wouldn't Horrid Pallor be a great band name? Cheers, Melissa - -- Melissa R. Jordan Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:05:32 -0800 From: "Michael and Denise Luckey" Subject: Re: Alloy: on the plus side.. Maybe TMDR should sell these hats on eBay-it would certainly get Headspace more publicity! M. L. - -----Original Message----- From: RThurF@aol.com To: alloy@smoe.org Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 4:13 PM Subject: Alloy: on the plus side.. > >..the hat I ordered from Headspace on Thursday night arrived today! so quick! > >This is very honestly the best design I've seen for a hat of this style (and >I'm not just saying this because it's from Headspace!~ :) & is made of the >softest heavyweight cotton... the crown fits perfectly without slipping >(unlike other hats of this general style that grab at the head & can leave >those weird awful marks..) its brim slightly longer than usual (I need this to >help keep sun off my horrid pallor in summer!) and best of all the adjuster in >back is a simple, soft fabric strap with very beautiful hardware that gives >the impression of antiqued brass. > >I love this hat & am completely impressed. In fact speaking of great clothes I >saw a show over the weekend featuring London designers, including recent work >by Vivienne Westwood, and a guy who designs clothes based on insect shapes - >reminded me of Giger's "Alien" designs except with vivid colors! I've been >gearing up to design my own clothes for years as some of you know, and I can >honestly say that THIS very Headspace hat would make a great model for my own >handmade hats eventually, simply because of its comfort & the classy design >details. It's profile when worn is incredible & I look like such a bad ass in >this. can't wait for summer, baby! > >Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 17:11:43 -0800 From: Kathleen Truelove Subject: Re: Alloy: Aaaaaah! My Universes Are Colliding! MacSuirtain, Yeah, I could him doing that with the rest of the alien races. Only thing is, he'd be the only earth alien around. Actually, that would be really cool. I remember when 'Howard the Duck' came out. I rented the movie when it came out on video. My mate at the time didn't really go for watching the movie in the theatre. Anyway, I got a kick out of that movie. It's too funny. It's just swanky enough to appeal to my taste in comedy. Pax Aye, Kate;) MacSuirtain wrote: > Okay, I should be sleeping, but I'm such a geek, I had to read the issue > of "Star Wars Insider" I got at this Smithsonian shindig last week. > There's this article on "Bantha Tracks", which was the first official > newsletter of the Star Wars fan club waaay back when dinosaurs ruled the > earth and I was just out of grade school. At some point, I finally left > the fan club - don't remember why - and, so, didn't get any more issues > of said newsletter. Well, I'm reading along and what do they mention? > AN INTERVIEW WITH THOMAS DOLBY!!! Too weird! They call Our Fearless > Leader "proto-techno keyboardist Thomas Dolby". The interview coincided > with the release of "Howard the Duck" (hence the Star Wars to Lucasfilm > to Dolby connection.) Never in my wildest dreams would geek-girl here > imagine opening up Star Wars Insider to find a Dolby reference. ...you > know, the Star Wars movies has its share of funky musicians (just look > at the Cantina Band - I still whistle their "b-side" number) - couldn't > you see Thomas decked out in trippy gear, just hangin' out in the > background of a Star Wars scene, playing whatever passes for keyboards > in some great "used universe" spaceport lounge? > > My world is, apparently, a very, very small one. > > Hulk tired, need sleep. > > Cheers, > > Melissa > > -- > Melissa R. Jordan > Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios > Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts > http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 17:16:23 -0800 From: Kathleen Truelove Subject: Re: Alloy: Aaaaaah! My Universes Are Colliding! Well, folks, I'm sooo glad to have missed most of the super bowl. I'm not a football fan. You see, the sad thing about this country is that everything is soo comercialized that it loses its appeal very fast. Look at how all of our holidays are commercialized? Geez, even my favorite sport, which is Nascar, is getting to be over commercialized. It sucks in my opinion. Give Nascar a few years and celebrities will be singing at the races, and drivers like Jeff Gordan will be singing and acting in the their offtime as a second career. Pax Aye, Kate;) MacSuirtain wrote: > Keith Stansell wrote: > > > > Hey Melissa and all, > > > > My evening wasn't much more exciting. I spent it doing laundry (it's so > > hard to get the washer in this building) and preparing my 7 layer taco dip > > for the Superbowl party I'm going to tomorrow. > > Hey, I'm the laundry queen today. I have to go out for a few things > momentarily to feed the one person who is coming over to see what > atrocious things Cher will do to the national anthem. Why in god's name > do they need 300 dancers to do some pseudo-Love Boat pre-game dance > number - followed by Kiss (!?!?!) and 600 (!?!?!) dancers, moving to "I > Wanna Rock and Roll All Night." Welcome to my country, non-US folks. > The land of bizarre excess. > > Keith, I'd say the Broncos have won the pre-bowl game day psych-out. > Nothing like having a key player on the other team - a bible-spouting > guy teammates call The Prophet - picked up for solicitation of > prostitution the night before the Super Bowl, eh? (Handy hint: don't > ask undercover cops for blow jobs the night before your most important > work day of the year...) > > > Hey, how did the Smithsonian Star Wars thing go? What was the big "secret > > presentation". > > Ah, turns out it was nothing. Well, not quite nothing, but not what > we'd all hoped for (the 4-minute trailer for The Phantom Menace.) I had > a great time - I won a grab bag that had this really cool book (Star > Wars: From Screen Concept to Collectible) and an embroidered shirt from > Lucasfilm. Food was great. Company was fun. There was a guy there in > a FANTASTIC Boba Fett costume - took him two years to make it. Dang - I > wouldn't have the attention span to handle that one. > > > And again, what was the Star Wars thing you were talking about in Denver? > > I'm curious. > > It's the Star Wars Celebration. Only the second Lucasfilm-approved Star > Wars gathering ever. Uncle George may come. The martial artist who's > playing Darth Maul will be there to do demonstrations of his > handicraft. Tech people, actors, writers, and tons of fans will be > descending upon Denver for 3 days of Star Wars fever. They'll have tons > of models, props, and costumes never before displayed, including > full-size ships used in the films. What a hoot. I really think I must > fly out for this, job or no job. It's like a pilgrimage. > > Enjoy the game, Keith! > > Cheers, > > Melissa > > -- > Melissa R. Jordan > Owner/Artist, Compass Rose Studios > Unique Wearable Art in Large Sizes & Handstamped Handicrafts > http://www.erols.com/jamesq/crs/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 17:19:45 -0800 From: Kathleen Truelove Subject: Re: Alloy: Any musical advice? Lissu, Sounds like this guy is greedy for money. If I were you, I'd seek advice from a lawyer, especially one who doesn't charge for good advice. It's a shame when musicians do this to each other. Kate;) Ulfstedt, Louise wrote: > Hello dear friends,... > > I was just wondering if those of you with musical connections have any > advice to offer me? > > So excited as I was about the release of my first single this month, now I > got a mail that seems to have changed everything into a nightmarish mess,... > > The producer I worked with for 4 years ( a chap called DJ Sasse,...some of > you might remember my initial bust up with this guy,..), and whom I stopped > working with because of his disinterest in releasing any of my music, has > now decided he wants a piece of the pie,....he is claiming that he co-wrote > the song I was supposed to be releasing this month with another > producer....(which he certainly didn't,...I wrote the melody and lyrics) and > is seeking legal advice. > > I know his reasons for doing this are purely personal, but he is signed to a > label, whilst still I'm not at this point. He already has a reputation, and > is reasonably well known on the house music scene. I'm not. Looks like this > guy will try to finish my music career before it ever got of the ground,... > > Anyway,...the point is,.. > He's claiming that he wrote the chord changes in the song,...does anyone > know if he can claim royalties for this? > > In the meantime, it looks like this could affect my chances of getting a > contract, let alone the single coming out,...no record company is going to > back an unsigned songwriter up with a legal case, are they,...? > > Anyway,..if ANYONE has any advice, please let me know,...I'm desperate > here,....and the song happens to be one of my favourites.... > > sorry to whine,...I'm terribly unfocused this morning,... > > yours, begging for words of wisdom,... > > Lissu > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com > > [SMTP:John_Hanson_at_FRMA01@ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com] > > Sent: Monday, February 01, 1999 5:53 PM > > To: alloy@smoe.org > > Subject: Re[4]: Alloy: So near yet so far > > > > Moi, ask someone what it means ? No, I asked the Thomas Dolby > > lookalike, Bengt, what it means. He's a decent sort of chap. > > > > John > > > > > > > > >Impressed....okay,...so who did you ask? > > >Heh heh,...friday afternoon is getting to me! > > > > >Lissu > > << File: cc:Mail note part >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 17:25:44 -0800 From: Kathleen Truelove Subject: Re: Alloy: Problems all around it seems! Add some primitive drums, sit crosslegged and assume the 'nirvana' hand position. this might help:) Pax Aye, Kate;) Lucinda L. Frattarola wrote: > >surely the saving chant is 'May the Cube Be With You.' > > Hmmm,tried that...Maybe I'm doing it wrong.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 17:40:50 -0800 From: Kathleen Truelove Subject: Re: Alloy: wondering.. RThur, Don't feel bad, I didn't know who really wrote it either. Oh well, just one of those things. By the way I got a poem from a friend of mine that I'd like to share with all on Alloy and ask if anyone has felt the way this poem implies???? Just insatiably curious. The Lemurian Way For passion's sake we join In spirit, in breath, in heart. We meet in a garden sweet My hand in yours, our senses together Journey on with me through time As lovers we were in many lives We breathe and walk in unison Our Aura's combine and swirl For Passion's sake we join now No other reason needed or claimed Timeless, ageless our spirits grow Within each other yet, separate we are Each life different, yet we are one. LEt me know what you think.. Pax Aye, Kate;) RThurF@aol.com wrote: > I think it's weird that I never even realized Hot sauce was written by George > Clinton (this song is turning out to be quite the psychological mine field for > me.. uhg!) I am confused. Did I once know this, and forgot? I know i must have > looked at the credits to this record before. I think I need an assistant. I > feel like a bad fan. > > Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 01:45:22 +0000 From: "I T Admin @ Govt Office North West" Subject: Re: Alloy: Any musical advice? At 14:34 01/02/99 +0200, you wrote: > >Hello dear friends,... > >I was just wondering if those of you with musical connections have any >advice to offer me? > Dog damn it. I can't offer any practical advice, but do you want me and the Alloy lads to do his knees? We could leave him out on the tundra with a mouth full of snow. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:54:37 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: on the plus side.. In a message dated 2/1/99 7:40:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, wearart@erols.com writes: << Robin, someday, you *must* go to Hyper Hyper (High Street Kensington) in London. It's an indoor marketplace full of stalls run by all these young up-and-coming designer hopefuls. Amazing hats, marvelous clothes. The last time I was there, I bought this fabulous hat - enormous floppy brim, big black bow. Hard to find the right occasion to wear it, but there have been a few times it was just right. I think you'd have a great time just talking to the designers.>> I'd love to go to this shop & look around. It's been so long since I've visited London, and after seeing those fashion shows on tv this weekend I'm really yearning to go back just to get a feel for things. There's something about seeing the latest London fashions that inspire me so much from a design standpoint. << Actually, wouldn't Horrid Pallor be a great band name? >> LOL, yes! or a great name for a goth clothing company! ... oh I hope nobody takes this idea til I learn to sew better. Melissa, I'll make you all the free gothy clothes you want if I eventually get this name, it's BRILLIANT :) Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:50:43 EST From: Jdmack01@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Re: Golden Age Yipeee Y'all I FINALLY found a copy of "The Golden Age Of Wireless" with the long version of "She Blinded Me With Science." And I am absolutely astounded that there is no visible difference on the CD or the cover from the pressing with the short version. Maybe the pressing with the long version is what's currently in the retail stores, but I didn't want to take a chance without being able to listen to it first. Next question: both pressings of the CD have the electronic version of "Radio Silence." Has the rock version ever been released on any CD? J. D. Mack jdmack01@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:32:50 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Cracknell Subject: Re: Alloy: Any musical advice? In article <514B833CB5E4D1118E320008C724B24B667DC1@obelix.teleste.fi>, you wrote: >Anyway,...the point is,.. >He's claiming that he wrote the chord changes in the song,...does anyone >know if he can claim royalties for this? ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ I don't know what the laws are like where you live but here in Canada if he did write the chord changes for the song then yes he is entitled to royalties. However, he has the burdon of proof to show that he did infact write the chord progressions for the song. If he can't meet the burdon of proof then he won't win a lawsuit. He likely already knows this if he's a producer so he may be either faking some evidence to show he wrote the music or he is just sueing to cause you grief. I don't know what the laws are like where you are but in Canada it's not a good idea to sue people just to harass them because in Canada the loser pays the legal fees for both parties. I'd recommend getting a lawyer who specializes in entertainment law in your country. Generally speaking your best protected if you register the copyright for your song because it makes it much more difficult for someone to prove they wrote something if the copyright is already registered to someone else. But there are other ways you can protect yourself without registering a copyright. It's generally a good idea to keep some sort of creative diary detailing the development of your works and to mail yourself copies of the work via registered mail (and leave them unopened). Now once again I'm going by copyright law here in Canada. Registering the copyright isn't neccessary to have your work protected by copyright. But unless a copyright is registered you can only launch a civil case for copyright violation, not a criminal case. A lot of people, particularily software developers, do not register their copyrights because the burdon of proof in a civil case is not as high as in a criminal case. You only have to be able to show that the defendant was more likely than not to have violated you copyright. Software developers rarely register their copyrights because then the source code for their software will be on public record, so it's a matter of security. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ >In the meantime, it looks like this could affect my chances of getting a >contract, let alone the single coming out,...no record company is going to >back an unsigned songwriter up with a legal case, are they,...? ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ You are saddly right here. If they get any wiff of legal hassel they are likely to bail on you. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ >Anyway,..if ANYONE has any advice, please let me know,...I'm desperate >here,....and the song happens to be one of my favourites.... ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Well, gather together every scrap of material about the song in question you have. Anything you've got that shows you wrote the music. And as sorry as I am that it has to come to this, you'll have to get a lawyer. Once again, I'm only going by Canadian law but it is up to him to prove that you ripped off him, not you to prove that the song is entirely yours. But it doesn't hurt to gather up as much evidence as you can. Still you have to prepair yourself for the worst. There have always been bitter producers who will rip off your hard work and there always will be. You may end up having to file this under "sometimes life sucks" and chock it up as a learning experience. Keep in mind though that if he is claiming co-authorship for the song this also means that he can't publish the song without paying you royalty and giving you a co-author credit. CRACKERS (That file is getting pretty full from hell!!!) - -- Collector of Atari 2600 carts - Accordionist - Bira Bira Devotee - Anime fan * http://www.hwcn.org/~ad329/crab.html | Crackers' Arts Base * * http://www.angelfire.com/ma/hozervideo/index.html | Hozer Video Games * Nihongo ga dekimasu - 2600 programmer - Father of 2 great kids - Canadian eh ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V4 #34 **************************