From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V4 #8 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, January 7 1999 Volume 04 : Number 008 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: what crackers really meant to say was.. [jacksonhome@home.com ] Re: Alloy: what crackers really meant to say was.. [jacksonhome@home.com ] Re: Alloy: what crackers really meant to say was.. [jacksonhome@home.com ] Re: Alloy: more word from crackers [Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jb] Alloy: Red Dwarf books [RThurF@aol.com] RE: Alloy: sheet music ? midi files ? [Peter Fitzpatrick ] Re: Alloy: private v. public, moving to England? [Kathleen McClelland ] Re: Alloy: private v. public, moving to England? [RThurF@aol.com] Re: Alloy: Nicks [Elaine Linstruth ] Alloy: Project B-Day ]I[ Homepage [Russell Milliner ] Re: Alloy: Nicks [Sean Cier ] Alloy: High-volume lists [Sean Cier ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:24:54 -0600 From: jacksonhome@home.com (Lee Jackson) Subject: Re: Alloy: what crackers really meant to say was.. On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:36:24 EST, you wrote: >Did the doctor just describe the stones to you, or did you actually see them >in a scan? did they let you keep any of them in a jar? ..do hospitals still do >that? A nurse gave me a specimen jar with two of the stones. She said that's all she could smuggle out for me. I did a little reading up tonight and was surprised by some of the stats on gallbladder disorders, especially involving pigment stones. Only 20% of gallbladder cases involve only pigment stones, and only 1% of patients wind up with a bile duct block requiring more procedures after the initial removal. Kind of hard for me not to wonder what on earth was going on inside these past months. // Lee Jackson, Music and Sound Director // Apogee Software, Ltd. / 3D Realms Entertainment // http://www.3drealms.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 07:53:02 GMT From: jacksonhome@home.com (Lee Jackson) Subject: Re: Alloy: what crackers really meant to say was.. On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:50:47 -0500, you wrote: >The bigger question to me is, did you do what my father did after he had his >gallbladder removed a few years ago, which was to proudly show the videotape >of the procedure to his whole family? No, no video available. If it'll make you feel better, though, I can borrow the company digital camera and post a shot of the two stones they gave me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 07:57:40 GMT From: jacksonhome@home.com (Lee Jackson) Subject: Re: Alloy: what crackers really meant to say was.. On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:45:40 EST, you wrote: >Sorry to hear about your bout with the asteroids!! Glad to hear you are >recovering nicely.. BTW.. did they look like the ones in Armageddon? Just >curious.. To back the story up a little bit timewise, I was told about the stones and surgery on my birthday (Nov. 19). A few days later, while discussing the situation with my company's administration (read: one guy in a corner office), he made almost the exact same asteroids/Armageddon remark. If that wasn't bad enough, guess what my wife rented at the video store that very same night? You guessed it - Armageddon. BTW, I liked Deep Impact better, even if it did drip syrup at times. ;-) // Lee Jackson (leej@3drealms.com) // Music and Sound Director // Apogee Software, Ltd. & 3D Realms Entertainment ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:36:44 +0000 From: Tim_Dunn.JBA_HEATHROW.SPL_EXTERNAL@jba.co.uk Subject: Re: Alloy: more word from crackers London? - here I am - need a bed for the night or anything? I have plenty of room! the_copse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:13:35 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Red Dwarf books In a message dated 1/6/99 12:10:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, kbrm@iefx.com writes: << I just finished reading the second RD novel today (Better Than Life). If you're an RD fan and haven't read them yet, do so. They're written by Grant Naylor, and roughly follow the course of the series, but there's a lot of exposition and changing of detail, so you can't assume you know what's going to happen just because you've seen the programme. >> I didn't even know there were novels based on the show. I'll have to start looking! Thanks Robyn :) ~Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 04:15:18 -0800 From: Peter Fitzpatrick Subject: RE: Alloy: sheet music ? midi files ? Robin has now been elevated to "people with great karma coming their way"... the music arrived today ..... MANY THANKS !!! I hope I can return the favour (favor?) some day... - -Peter - -----Original Message----- From: RThurF@aol.com [mailto:RThurF@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 25, 1998 12:17 AM To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Alloy: sheet music ? midi files ? In a message dated 12/24/98 4:10:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, peterfit@MICROSOFT.com writes: << Anyone know if there is any Sheet Music for Golden Age of Wireless available ? >> I have sheet music for 4 of the songs from GAOW which I'd be happy to photocopy for you if you like. The songs are 'Airwaves' 'Europa & the Pirate Twins' 'One of our Submarines' and 'She Blinded Me w/Science'. It's got the complete keyboard part plus tableture (am I using the right term..? those little squares showing guitar chords) and there is a section with just the lyrics written out all together with no notation. in fact I would be very happy to copy the music for anyone who would like it.. just let me know. I'll be sending Thomas a check for the residuals. Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:13:35 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Alloy: private v. public, moving to England? In a message dated 1/5/99 11:53:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, Melissa writes: << > (And, whenever I see a photo of one of the Alloy'ed out on >the 'Net, I am quite taken by the inordinate number of Really Attractive >People we have in our midst -- I'm happy to be the resident Troll Under >The Bridge!) & then Robyn writes: Oh, you're hardly the resident Troll...after all, there's a reason there aren't pictures of me kicking around. ;) >> ..eh? .. resident troll? This flew right over my head for some reason the first time I read it. I took the bridge analogy as having to do with feeling like more of a 'private' person than a 'public' person, which we were discussing before @ christmastime.. the same way I would describe myself as more of a coffeehouse cornerdweller than a big pub/partygoer (at least American pubs, which are way too noisy & crowded to have a conversation in, plus i have yet to find an alcoholic beverage that I really like the taste of apart from my sweet wine+Tang combo, which no bar will serve me) I read that 80% of Americans describe themselves as 'extroverts', while in Britain only 30% or less consider themselves extroverted. What do my fellow Alloyers think? I am inclined to be introverted myself which makes me very much an odd duck iin America (the article I read described the two personality types as simply drawing their energy from different sources.. extroverts draw energy from outside sources such as social gatherings & feel refreshed by them, while introverts draw their energy from within themselves, feeling much more refreshed by quiet gatherings of friends or just staying home with a good book!) Being a non-extroverted Americn can really make one feel alienated sometimes, because people keep pointing it out! As artists, Dave and I are expected by society at large to be somewhat weird anyway but it still can be a strain, and people don't understand why we just want to hang out with one another most of the time, & do our work (from which I think we draw quite a lot of our energy).. though of course we love our friends..! In English neighborhoods things seem more close-knit in any given community (ie people knowing each other, but staying out of one another's hair generally) at least it seemed that way to me... can anyone who lives there, or has lived there, provide their opinion? Maybe Dave and I should move there..? Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:29:15 EST From: TBlagg@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: sheet music ? midi files ? In a message dated 06/01/99 12:18:02 GMT, Peter wrote: << Robin has now been elevated to "people with great karma coming their way"... the music arrived today ..... MANY THANKS !!! I hope I can return the favour (favor?) some day... -Peter >> I have just arrived home from the Coventry post office and already pissed the neighbours off with a ghastly out of time rendition of Airwaves.....Robin, you're an angel!!!!!!! Thankyou thankyou thankyou.....I think a few more days practice is the order of the day....I love my neighbours, but not as much as Thomas.... Trev... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 12:53:24 -0800 From: Kathleen McClelland Subject: Re: Alloy: private v. public, moving to England? Robin, I think you are right about England. I lived there for a year in the eighties. When I was there and living in the countryside for awhile, I noticed that the community I was in was quite close knit, yet there was a general feeling of cosiness that I don't really feel as much in Southern California. I saw a lot of depression but not as much bickering and fighting amongst everyone. In Southern California, people are more inclined to sue someone just for accidently getting into a fender bender accident. Poeople can be so mean and impatient here. In England (when I was there) people were more inclined to help out and were a lot more friendly. I don't know how it is over there today. Hopefully it hasn't changed too much. Pax Aye, Kate;) RThurF@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/5/99 11:53:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, Melissa writes: > > << > (And, whenever I see a photo of one of the Alloy'ed out on > >the 'Net, I am quite taken by the inordinate number of Really Attractive > >People we have in our midst -- I'm happy to be the resident Troll Under > >The Bridge!) > > & then Robyn writes: > Oh, you're hardly the resident Troll...after all, there's a reason there > aren't pictures of me kicking around. ;) >> > > ..eh? .. resident troll? This flew right over my head for some reason the > first time I read it. I took the bridge analogy as having to do with feeling > like more of a 'private' person than a 'public' person, which we were > discussing before @ christmastime.. the same way I would describe myself as > more of a coffeehouse cornerdweller than a big pub/partygoer (at least > American pubs, which are way too noisy & crowded to have a conversation in, > plus i have yet to find an alcoholic beverage that I really like the taste of > apart from my sweet wine+Tang combo, which no bar will serve me) > > I read that 80% of Americans describe themselves as 'extroverts', while in > Britain only 30% or less consider themselves extroverted. What do my fellow > Alloyers think? I am inclined to be introverted myself which makes me very > much an odd duck iin America (the article I read described the two personality > types as simply drawing their energy from different sources.. extroverts draw > energy from outside sources such as social gatherings & feel refreshed by > them, while introverts draw their energy from within themselves, feeling much > more refreshed by quiet gatherings of friends or just staying home with a good > book!) > > Being a non-extroverted Americn can really make one feel alienated sometimes, > because people keep pointing it out! As artists, Dave and I are expected by > society at large to be somewhat weird anyway but it still can be a strain, and > people don't understand why we just want to hang out with one another most of > the time, & do our work (from which I think we draw quite a lot of our > energy).. though of course we love our friends..! In English neighborhoods > things seem more close-knit in any given community (ie people knowing each > other, but staying out of one another's hair generally) at least it seemed > that way to me... can anyone who lives there, or has lived there, provide > their opinion? Maybe Dave and I should move there..? > > Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:17:16 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: sheet music ? midi files ? I'm amazed the music arrived so quickly, i feel like i just sent it only a few days ago! I hope it's useful to you both. Keep pissing those neighbors off, Trev! Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 01:07:45 +0000 From: "I T Admin @ Govt Office North West" Subject: Alloy: Did I tell you about my operation? At 18:15 05/01/99 -0600, Lee wrote: > >My contribution would have been done earlier, but I've been delayed by >being in and out of the hospital several times since September. The last >two times were 1) to remove my gallbladder, followed by 2) to have an ERCP >(camera down the throat into the bile duct) to remove the stones and >"gravel" that got loose during trip #1. The stones that caused the >problems weren't your typical smooth cholesterol stones - they were black, >spiked, asteroid-like pigment stones, which are liver-related and no fun >whatsoever. At least everything is cleaned out now, and I finally feel >back up to par. > Lee, sorry to hear you've been under the weather. You seem to have made light of it, but it sounds pretty heavy stuff to me. Anyroadup, I'm glad you're on the mend, and presumably will be feeling a lot better than before it all started. Best wishes for a full recovery. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 01:07:43 +0000 From: "I T Admin @ Govt Office North West" Subject: Re: Alloy: private v. public, moving to England? At 08:13 06/01/99 EST, Robin wrote: > > In English neighborhoods >things seem more close-knit in any given community (ie people knowing each >other, but staying out of one another's hair generally) at least it seemed >that way to me... can anyone who lives there, or has lived there, provide >their opinion? Maybe Dave and I should move there..? > >Robin T > THEN KATE WROTE > I think you are right about England. I lived there for a year in the eighties. >When I was there and living in the countryside for awhile, I noticed that the >community I was in was quite close knit, yet there was a general feeling of >cosiness that I don't really feel as much in Southern California. I saw a lot of >depression but not as much bickering and fighting amongst everyone. In Southern >California, people are more inclined to sue someone just for accidently getting >into a fender bender accident. Poeople can be so mean and impatient here. In >England (when I was there) people were more inclined to help out and were a lot >more friendly. I don't know how it is over there today. Hopefully it hasn't >changed too much. > >Pax Aye, >Kate;) > I think the community spirit depends on a number of factors, e.g. whether you're in a city or out in a small village, the type of dwelling you're in, the type of street you're in, whether there are families with young children. We have our share of lonely folk in high rise flats or depressed areas who don't know their neighbours, and we're getting more cases of road rage here as well, and neighbourly disputes over boundary lines, noise, badly behaved kids etc. Don't think that England is a quaint green and pleasant land where everyone gets on with everyone else, because it just isn't so. When I lived in Didsbury (yes, that's ANOTHER real place in Manchester) as a child, I lived on a road with only about thirty houses in it. A lot of the families had been there for many years, so knew each other quite well, plus a lot had children of a similar age who played together, and kids are a great ice-breaker. As it was a cul-de-sac (that's a dead-end in case anyone isn't familiar with the term) it was relatively safe for the kids to play in the road. When I got married and moved to Chorlton, things were different. I live in a through road, so it's not so safe for kids to play out, and there are not so many families with young children anyway. I know my immediate neighbours, and they leave their house keys with us if they are away for a few days so we can keep and eye on things and switch off any misbehaving alarms, but hardly know anyone else in the whole street, other than on nodding terms. Since many of us sit in front of the TV at night, and we don't have large gardens to work on, plus in many cases both husband and wife are out at work during the day, we don't actually SEE our neighbours all that often. I'm not one for going out to the pub, so I don't get to meet people that way, but when I did karate I had quite a few friends that I wouldn't have made otherwise, but since I gave it up I've lost touch with them. If your neighbours aren't very neighbourly you have to get out and join some local organised activity if you want to get to know people. That's one of the spin-offs from these activities. I have an aunt who lived in Grasmere in the Lake District for many years, and she was certainly involved with the local community. She was in the church choir and Women's Institute, as she had been wherever she'd lived, and this was a good way of getting to know people and getting involved with community activities. Now we have global communities. Those who might find it difficult to mix face-to-face can commune over the internet more easily. Alloy is an example of a global community, with around 70 people. New folk join, others leave (and some of us don't know when to quit). Some are active in this community, and some are apparently just happy to lurk, but no one berates them for that. This community is perhaps a little unusual in that we tend not to have arguments or disputes. If someone doesn't like what someone else said, they either keep quiet about it, or mail them individually. Generally we seem to fairly like minded (at least those who contribute do), and we KNOW that we all have a common interest in music. A community is what its members make it, but maybe the pace of life and changes in lifestyle mean that the old community spirit dies out unless someone takes the initiative to get things going. Sorry, I seem to have wandered into drifted into 'ramble' mode again there. Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 17:18:02 -0800 From: Robyn Moore Subject: Re: Alloy: Red Dwarf books At 04:13 AM 1/6/99 , you wrote: >I didn't even know there were novels based on the show. I'll have to start >looking! Thanks Robyn :) The first one is "Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers". You'll probably have better luck looking at used book stores. :) Robyn M @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.alveus.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 17:44:22 -0800 From: Kathleen McClelland Subject: Re: Alloy: private v. public, moving to England? Slarv, Yeah, okay, you have a great point. I know some of our neighbors because we bump into each other doing laundry or going off to work or coming home from work. Our apartment building is quite small and the people who live there are middle it upper middle class, so we got lucky I guess. I think we have good neighbors. We kinda watch out for each other. I like to know who at least some of my neighbors are. You are right about how neighborhoods vary regardless of which country they are in. I know England is just like everywhere else. You have good neighbors and neighbors you'd rather move away from if you can. Pax Aye, Kate;) PS Listening to a rockin Scottish band called the Wicked Tinkers. All they play are the bagpipes and drums. Sooooo awesome!! I T Admin @ Govt Office North West wrote: > At 08:13 06/01/99 EST, Robin wrote: > > > > > In English neighborhoods > >things seem more close-knit in any given community (ie people knowing each > >other, but staying out of one another's hair generally) at least it seemed > >that way to me... can anyone who lives there, or has lived there, provide > >their opinion? Maybe Dave and I should move there..? > > > >Robin T > > > > THEN KATE WROTE > > I think you are right about England. I lived there for a year in the eighties. > >When I was there and living in the countryside for awhile, I noticed that the > >community I was in was quite close knit, yet there was a general feeling of > >cosiness that I don't really feel as much in Southern California. I saw a > lot of > >depression but not as much bickering and fighting amongst everyone. In Southern > >California, people are more inclined to sue someone just for accidently getting > >into a fender bender accident. Poeople can be so mean and impatient here. In > >England (when I was there) people were more inclined to help out and were a lot > >more friendly. I don't know how it is over there today. Hopefully it hasn't > >changed too much. > > > >Pax Aye, > >Kate;) > > > > > I think the community spirit depends on a number of factors, e.g. whether > you're in a city or out in a small village, the type of dwelling you're in, > the type of street you're in, whether there are families with young > children. We have our share of lonely folk in high rise flats or depressed > areas who don't know their neighbours, and we're getting more cases of road > rage here as well, and neighbourly disputes over boundary lines, noise, > badly behaved kids etc. Don't think that England is a quaint green and > pleasant land where everyone gets on with everyone else, because it just > isn't so. > > When I lived in Didsbury (yes, that's ANOTHER real place in Manchester) as a > child, I lived on a road with only about thirty houses in it. A lot of the > families had been there for many years, so knew each other quite well, plus > a lot had children of a similar age who played together, and kids are a > great ice-breaker. As it was a cul-de-sac (that's a dead-end in case anyone > isn't familiar with the term) it was relatively safe for the kids to play in > the road. > > When I got married and moved to Chorlton, things were different. I live in > a through road, so it's not so safe for kids to play out, and there are not > so many families with young children anyway. I know my immediate > neighbours, and they leave their house keys with us if they are away for a > few days so we can keep and eye on things and switch off any misbehaving > alarms, but hardly know anyone else in the whole street, other than on > nodding terms. Since many of us sit in front of the TV at night, and we > don't have large gardens to work on, plus in many cases both husband and > wife are out at work during the day, we don't actually SEE our neighbours > all that often. I'm not one for going out to the pub, so I don't get to > meet people that way, but when I did karate I had quite a few friends that I > wouldn't have made otherwise, but since I gave it up I've lost touch with > them. If your neighbours aren't very neighbourly you have to get out and > join some local organised activity if you want to get to know people. > That's one of the spin-offs from these activities. > > I have an aunt who lived in Grasmere in the Lake District for many years, > and she was certainly involved with the local community. She was in the > church choir and Women's Institute, as she had been wherever she'd lived, > and this was a good way of getting to know people and getting involved with > community activities. > > Now we have global communities. Those who might find it difficult to mix > face-to-face can commune over the internet more easily. Alloy is an example > of a global community, with around 70 people. New folk join, others leave > (and some of us don't know when to quit). Some are active in this > community, and some are apparently just happy to lurk, but no one berates > them for that. This community is perhaps a little unusual in that we tend > not to have arguments or disputes. If someone doesn't like what someone > else said, they either keep quiet about it, or mail them individually. > Generally we seem to fairly like minded (at least those who contribute do), > and we KNOW that we all have a common interest in music. > > A community is what its members make it, but maybe the pace of life and > changes in lifestyle mean that the old community spirit dies out unless > someone takes the initiative to get things going. > > Sorry, I seem to have wandered into drifted into 'ramble' mode again there. > > Slarv ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 17:51:05 -0800 From: Robyn Moore Subject: Re: Alloy: private v. public, moving to England? At 05:13 AM 1/6/99 , you wrote: >..eh? .. resident troll? This flew right over my head for some reason the >first time I read it. I took the bridge analogy as having to do with feeling >like more of a 'private' person than a 'public' person, which we were >discussing before @ christmastime.. the same way I would describe myself as >more of a coffeehouse cornerdweller than a big pub/partygoer (at least >American pubs, which are way too noisy & crowded to have a conversation in, >plus i have yet to find an alcoholic beverage that I really like the taste of >apart from my sweet wine+Tang combo, which no bar will serve me) Ah...I took it as an appearance reference, as it was attached to a statement about how many Really Attractive People we have on the list. :) >I read that 80% of Americans describe themselves as 'extroverts', while in >Britain only 30% or less consider themselves extroverted. What do my fellow >Alloyers think? I am inclined to be introverted myself which makes me very >much an odd duck iin America (the article I read described the two personality >types as simply drawing their energy from different sources.. extroverts draw >energy from outside sources such as social gatherings & feel refreshed by >them, while introverts draw their energy from within themselves, feeling much >more refreshed by quiet gatherings of friends or just staying home with a good >book! I definitely have introvert tendencies, much to the dismay of my mother, who wanted me to be the social butterfly she wasn't when she was young. Needless to say, she's the one I get it from. :) >Being a non-extroverted Americn can really make one feel alienated sometimes, >because people keep pointing it out! As artists, Dave and I are expected by >society at large to be somewhat weird anyway but it still can be a strain, and >people don't understand why we just want to hang out with one another most of >the time, & do our work (from which I think we draw quite a lot of our >energy).. though of course we love our friends..! In English neighborhoods >things seem more close-knit in any given community (ie people knowing each >other, but staying out of one another's hair generally) at least it seemed >that way to me... can anyone who lives there, or has lived there, provide >their opinion? Maybe Dave and I should move there..? > I've been busting my butt to try and be the extroverted life-of-the-party type, but it's never quite worked. I'm still just as awkward and unsure about what to say and out of place as I've ever been. (and since I'm in the spirit of confession, that includes here as much as anywhere.) Nothing like being 35 and still feeling like a teenager trying to impress the 'in crowd'. At least it keeps me young. ;) I've always dreamed of living in England...maybe someday I can at least visit. Or if I'm really lucky, I can convince Kevin to emigrate. ;) Robyn M @ Robyn Moore @ http://www.alveus.com/kbrm/robyn.html @ You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. - S.C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 23:21:23 -0500 From: Sean Cier Subject: Re: Alloy: Y2K "I T Admin @ Govt Office North West" wrote: > > A man from Alloy called Sean Cier > (You won't delighted to hear) > Logged in to the FES > But found it a mess > And mailed to us all, 'This IS queer.' > > Slarv A man known as Slarvibarglhee Literate, clever, and silly Thought "A response I'll compose, But using no prose -- A limerick would suite me ideally!" - -spc (apparently lacking in meter skills altogether) - -- /- Sean Cier -\ ( Dreams of falling, dreams of flying; ) ( a man who never dreams goes slowly mad ) \- http://www.PostHorizon.com/scier -/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:54:18 EST From: RThurF@aol.com Subject: Re: Alloy: private v. public, moving to England? In a message dated 1/6/99 8:08:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, help.gonw.st@gtnet.gov.uk writes: <> I CERTAINLY don't think this, myself, having taken the absolutely-no-money- tour of Britain... which of course accidentally included that stop in Ireland which I've mentioned, after our airplane had a hole blown in its wing & we had to crash land in Limerick.. I must post those photos BTW.. my first visual image of anything in Britain being the dead monkey puzzle tree outside our window at the Limerick Ryan hotel the next morning (decidedly un-green) My best friend and i stayed in the most bizarrely-situated accomodations throughout Britain because that was all we could afford. No 'Castles and Olde Estates of England' and Sheradon hotel rooms tour for us. Our British companions during our stay were impoverished art-school students, random people who struck up conversations with us in the park, the rastafarian at the laundromat in Queens Park who wouldn't stop serenading us, and so on.. and of course the sweltering city streets. Having people think of England as a quaint, old-fashioned green island gives me the same feeling as when people say all americans are wealthy, loud and pushy.. it just isn't so at all. And I know very well also that everyone does not get on well with everyone else, having witnessed that first-hand too... but I won't go into all that, cause then I'll have flashbacks! All I meant was that people in general didn't tend to hound one to death about being a person who likes to mind ones own business, like they do in America. Here, it isn't considered 'normal' to want to be private & people will call you on it at every opportunity. In England one impression that has stayed with me is that while the most wicked backstabbing gossip sometimes abounded (!!) everyone pretty much left each other alone in reality... Robin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:05:13 -0800 (PST) From: Elaine Linstruth Subject: Re: Alloy: Nicks I've been meaning to ask if anyone else does this.. have a pronounciation that might or might not match the actual way something should be said. For instance, every time I see his "name" I say "slarvey-bargley." Amazing enough, Sean, I knew you were "shaun seer." I still don't know if it's "kneel leecy" or "kneel lacy." Even though I can say "Robin Thurlow," I still say "arthur-f" because of RThurF. There are some others I don't know about too. I had to ask Melissa, otherwise she was "mack sweer tain." - -- Elaine Linstruth Palmdale, CA (USA) > A man known as Slarvibarglhee > Literate, clever, and silly > Thought "A response I'll compose, > But using no prose -- > A limerick would suite me ideally!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 00:30:03 -0500 From: Russell Milliner Subject: Alloy: Project B-Day ]I[ Homepage Ok folks, I have put up a Project B-Day ]I[ Homepage. You can find it at http://www.iag.net/~milliner/tmdr/signup.html At the site, you can signup for a project and make suggestions for the name of this years project. This is a quick and dirty site for you webdevelopers out there. I'll be adding features and more info as we go. - -Russell Milliner milliner@iag.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 01:14:46 -0500 From: Sean Cier Subject: Re: Alloy: Nicks Elaine Linstruth wrote: > > I've been meaning to ask if anyone else does this.. have a > pronounciation that might or might not match the actual way > something should be said. Yup. I try to force myself to discover the *right* pronunciation of things before I've come up with my own, as I seem unable to rid myself of it once it's made its was into my dialect. "Linux", for example (a free UNIX implementation, for those who've managed not to hear about it - -- great Windows alternative, if you're adventurous and willing to put some extra thought into installation and such)... I started pronouncing in "LINE-ucks" along with everybody else before it was widely realized that the creator after whom it's named (Linus Torvalds), pronounces his name "Liin-uus" and hence everybody started calling the OS "Liin-ucks". People think I'm odd now that that's history and I still call it "LINE-ucks". > For > instance, every time I see his "name" I say "slarvey-bargley." I've always thought of it as "Slarvibar-jeel-he', which almost actually ryhmes with 'silly', as required by my bit of verse, if you try hard enough ;-) BTW... Red Dwarf; I *love* that show, and am endlessly grateful to the local PBS affiliate (MPT) for showing it regularly. Can't say I enjoyed the book as much, though; somehow Grant & Naylor's stuff just works better for me on the screen. - -Sean - -- /- Sean Cier -\ ( Yield, he told the silver triangle. Cough up arcane secret. ) \- http://www.PostHorizon.com/scier -/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 01:18:21 -0500 From: Sean Cier Subject: Alloy: High-volume lists You know, I used to think Alloy was pretty high-volume. But recently, I subscribed to the Gnome list (an open-source software project), and, well. Suffice to say that I neglected to go through my mailbox since Sunday until this evening, and as a result I had to go through no fewer than 400 new messages. Eek. I'm really starting to appreciate the Alloy tidbits scattered through my Inbox it in a whole new way...! - -spc - -- /- Sean Cier -\ ( Death to Vermin! ) \- http://www.PostHorizon.com/scier -/ ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V4 #8 *************************