On 3/9/2009 10:12 AM, Rub Wrongways wrote: > "I'd be happy to pay more to see the music and buy less beer." > Unfortunately there aren't enough of you to go around. > Here's a take on the whole thing from a Henning Ohlenbusch of School for the > Dead: > > http://schoolforthedead.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-are-these-shows-so-late.html Excellent overview. Several SF clubs have workarounds. The Make Out Room, which books CvS, the Orange Peels, Corner Laughers and other pop acts has live music starting at 7:30pm, then does dj/disco stuff starting around 10:30pm which brings in the serious drinkers. The Great American Music Hall, which is the best bar type venue SF to see a band IMO, starts it's shows at 7:30 or 8pm, and usually limits the event to 2 bands, so typically it's all over by 11pm. The prime sitdown spots are for dinner guests only, so there's extra revenue. We've seen the Rubinoos here twice in 2 years and were more than willing to pay for their mediocre dinner to have seats and a great view. And the late niters still have hours left to kill themselves with alcohol. Also, SF has numerous smaller concert venues like the Fillmore, which though more for touring acts, on occasion host less known groups with a decent Bay Area following, and which give off the aura of a bar more than concert hall. - Michael