Wouldn't part of the problem be the attempt by the club to maximize their hours of operation? If the show ends at 10:00 pm, so does the money coming in to the bar because that's when people will leave. If a bar is open until midnight or 1:00 pm, music usually runs until an hour before or so, giving bar owners time to empty the place before they close or clean or whatever. If a club ius known to have a show, usually no one would want to arrive after the show is over, so I believe a lot of it is simply the clubs/bars trying to keep money coming in right up until closing time. Scott Homewood -----Original Message----- From: Matt Whitby To: audities@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 7:29 am Subject: Re: concert start times I also go to far less shows these days because when the main act doesn't get on until 9:30 then that means I don't get home until midnight and with a child that's just not practical.    Anyone want to set up a club with a crèche?    Sent from my iPhone    On 9 Mar 2009, at 01:28, Bill Sherlock wrote:    > Hi all,  >  > I recently had the sad experience of passing on a show that I would > have loved to see (Explorers Club) due to its advertised show time. > To wit, the show began at 9:30 PM with two openers. Let's say band > #1 got 30 minutes. Then there's, let's say, 20 mins. setup for > opener #2. They play for 45 minutes. Another 30 mins. setup for EC > and we're at 11:30ish. They play for 90 mins. and the show ends at > 1:00 the next day.  >  > This show was on a Wednesday. I have 2 kids to get off to school the > next day which means that I have to be up by 6 to pack lunches, make > sure they eat something for breakfast, etc. Not an easy thing to do > on 5 hours of sleep. I am 45 years old and would have loved to have > seen this show, but logistically it was just not feasible. The > questions I have for any music pros are these: Why do these shows > start so late? Am I not the target demographic (probably not but I > love to hear some discussion on this)?  >  > I had the pleasure of seeing the Kaiser Chiefs last fall. Their show > began at 8:30 and was over by 10:00. Is this not usually doable?  >  > Thanks for any and all responses.  >  > Bill  ________________________________________________________________________ Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com