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From: <zoogang@cox.net>
> I view punk as an expression of attitude. Most of it does absolutely 
> nothing for me. I know there's a faction of people who swear by 
> punk, but to my view, for the most part, we're not talking about 
> songs here.

If you're gonna say this, we're going to have to define "songs." 
Particularly in the first wave New York and UK scenes, there was 
plenty of songcraft in punk: the songs were faster, shorter and 
simpler, but they were still songs, and huge numbers of them were 
incredibly catchy.  At what point is something no longer a 'song"?

S