----- Original Message ----- From: "Doremi Fasolatido" > Is Rock and Roll dead? Much to the chagrin of its original demographic, "rock and roll" in its strictest sense (that is, the sense that "Madonna is not rock and roll" that started this discussion) is no longer the driving force of popular culture. Heck, it's no longer the driving force of popular music. Basically, rock and roll now is roughly equivalent to where jazz was in the '60s: still popular, but out of the commercial mainstream. Eventually, rock and roll will be where jazz is today: an esoteric, specialist taste that is almost invisible in the wider popular culture. S