Hello again Everyone, Firstly, I am very sorry that I used the term "whining" in my original post and that I commented at all on the MANNER in which things were expressed on this list. To all of you, I truly am very sorry. I regret my use of that word and most of the attending paragraph. It was immature and totally uncalled for. I won't make that mistake again, I promise. I'd like to stick around as an Auditeer. My anger got the best of me. I even have a little note on my monitor: Never Post in Anger. I came home from work today, steeling myself for another round of Rock 'em Sock 'em Auditees. I actually had a post that I composed into the wee hours last night *returned* to me today, unposted, because it was too long. I didn't even know that could happen! I went point to point with Jaimie's first post in answer to my original post. I've decided (Yay!) to just keep it in my pocket for the most part. I'll continue to answer your posts one by one if you'd like, just say so, but maybe I can sum it all up right here and be done with it. I took a very hard and aggressive strictly pro-consumerist stance only after much consideration and thought. I didn't believe (in my heart or in practice) everything that I said, but I believed that it needed to be said anyway to kind of even the playing field a bit after several posts from labels/artists. I'll gladly go back in the archives to retrieve exact quotes, but weren't we consumers being chastised for using eMusic because it hurts the labels/artists? And wasn't it suggested that we don't appreciate how hard it is for artists to make records? Were we not also told that we have a responsibility to artists and labels and that they have one to us as well? Generally, were not labels and artists expressing their frustrations and in part blaming us or at the very least pointing out our role in the problem as they see it? Were they not discussing OUR role as "bad" consumers who were helping to wreck the music business by the purchasing decisions we make? Forgive me if I've misunderstood. 1. Blaming the consumer is just wrong on so many levels. You're blaming us for spending our money in the wrong places and not supporting you in the manner that you feel is appropriate. I feel this is ludicrous and ultimately self-destructive. 2. It's condescending as hell (let alone wrong) to tell us, especially Auditeers, that we're helping to ruin the music business. This just plain made me angry as hell. I'm doing no such thing and neither are MOST consumers. 3. None of this is personal, though I understand that labels/artists truly FEEL that it is. A decision to purchase an album from eMusic (only as one example) is not intended to hurt anyone's bottom line. It's an economic decision, plain and simple. If I could, for example, afford to buy every release that I want from Not Lame, I surely would. I simply cannot afford it, so I *sometimes* choose from the many options that are now available to me. Man, I'd LOVE to support Bruce and crew for all the great work they do. I'd LOVE to have a nice complete package with artwork and bonuses. I most often can't afford it and I have to *settle* for digital downloads. That's just the reality of the situation, not just for me, but it must be true for HUNDREDS of people on this list, at the very minimum. 4. I understand that many labels and artists have hung it up, and that many others are on the verge of doing so. I felt that we, as consumers, were being blamed for at least part of this because of the buying choices that we make and for our non-support of the hard working labels and artists. I wrote the things that I wrote because I disagreed very much with the tone and content of what had been posted before I coughed up my mini-manifesto. I just wanted to state clearly the economic reality of the situation. I don't see how blaming us accomplishes anything except to further alienate us and separate this whole thing even more into a terrible us v. you situation. I want us to come together, but everyone must understand that both sides have legitimate points and neither of us is the devil here. I went as far to one side as I could so that the playing field would be more level, that's all. I may have gone too far and I'm sorry if that's true. I'm not a bad guy who doesn't care about the wonderfully talented folks who make the music that means so much to me. Let's just both understand where our responsibilities to each other begin and end. Jaimie, you've called consumers "vultures" in print for all of us to see, ("All I see now are consumer vultures swooping in while the industry licks its wounds and grabbing whatever they can"). I believe that's how you really feel, and I think we both understand how sad it is that it's come to this. We're all being squeezed in one way or another and that really hurts *everyone* in a most personal way. I'm sorry things are the way they are. I hope we all survive, at least in the long run. Please understand that my stated position was ever so slightly a Devil's Advocate position in reaction to perceived wrongs and accusations. I saw the chance to take a big swipe back when I saw that big swipes were being taken AT us consumers. At the same time, I thought that I could "black and white" the economics of the issue. I may have come across as terse and uncaring. That was not my intention and it's never been who I am. I come from a long line of lawyers and judges , but I'm just a music fan in the antique business. I'm done. Thanks for your patience everyone. Lesson learned on my part, for sure. But I'm not backing down from my main points for even a second. Your claim that the consumer is complicit in the downfall of the current music business model is injurious to all of us and mostly, NOT helpful. I'll concede your point that we may play *a* role because we often behave like most consumers do, but that's hardly reason to label us the enemy and tell us we need lessons on how to be better Digital Age music consumers. jeff teez