It's not my cup o'tea, but many would argue that Public Enemy had a huge impact and started something pretty special. Mike. >From: "John L. Micek" >Reply-To: audities@smoe.org >To: >Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:10:53 -0400 > >but I know of no one who has created as a >>significant "new sound" since. Defeated attitude? No man, not at all. A >>simple question. >> >1977. >The first Clash record. >To me, that's the sound of a movement being created. And it was at least as >important as anything The Beatles ever did. To borrow a phrase, they ripped >it up and started again. > >john. > > >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: >Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:27 AM >Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal > > >>No, no .... >> >>You misunderstand me. I would never say quit, otherwise I would have sold >>off my studio and stopped writing songs years ago. Let us all give up (for >>one minute)....that the Beatles are divine and no one could possibly do >>better. I was trying to point out that the many listeners of pop music who >>reside on the discussion group are lovers of pop...no? >> >>Ok, simple question here, aside from the magic of the time (1960's), the >>actual timing for the Beatles and the fact that the audience of the 60's >>was ready for something great ..... lets just look at the songs, the >>arsenal of excellent material and now lets look at any artist since who >>has forged their own template(way the Beatles did)to or rather-branched >>off to do something special and unique- AND has rivaled the Beatles in >>this way of excellent fresh material, so that the world universally >>recognizes as they might have the Beatles collective works. >> >>I was simply asking all to offer up those artists? How are they? Where are >>they? I have my favorites stored in 1000's of cd's.... >> >>Peace >> >> >>On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:27:04 -0400 >> "John L. Micek" wrote: >>>Well, crap. If we can't do better than the almighty Beatles, we might as >>>well put away the guitars and just quit. >>>C'mon, man. What kind of defeatist attitude is that? Yeah, the Beatles >>>were good. But they're not sacred and inviolable. There are, >>>unbelievably, other bands I like better than them. I recognize their >>>overall historical importance, but in the same way I recognize the >>>Declaration of Independence as important -- as an historical starting >>>point that has, in fact, been improved upon with the passage of time. >>>That's what the first wave of British punk was all about -- ripping it up >>>and starting again. And I'd argue that we're in a similar period right >>>now with YouTube, Garageband and all the rest. >>>The next gen. is grabbing onto the kind of music they want to make, and >>>it doesn't have bubkes to do with Sgt. Pepper. >>>And you know what? >>>They do put Fountains of Wayne, or Fall Out Boy, or whomever on a higher >>>totem pole than The Beatles. Because as far as they're concerned, the >>>Beatles are ancient history -- something their Dad. Or, god forbid, their >>>Grandad listened to back in the day. >>>And that's the way it oughta be. >>>Was Pet Sounds an amazing record? >>>Yes. >>>Was it the template for everything that came after? >>>Not so much. Not too many contemporary pop records out there (outside of >>>our musical ghetto) that sound like Pet Sounds. And that's okay too. >>>After all, you said it yourself: >>> >>>>Who? Who has bettered these albums? Who? >>>>You can't, it's not possible-because THEY created the master formula by >>>>which all pop music WE here on the list listen to. >>> >>>And that's just it. >>>We're a slice of a slice of a slice of the entire music market. I'm sure >>>there are listeners who'd put "Fear of a Black Planet," or "Legalize It," >>>on their all-time great lists way ahead of Pepper -- if it even made >>>their lists at all. >>> >>>And I'm guessing John Lennon would barf if we knew we were trying to >>>preserve him in amber like this. >>> >>>john micek. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: >>>To: >>>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:03 PM >>>Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal >>> >>> >>>> >>>>.... putting spoon away .......... >>>> >>>>Well said, and I could not agree more. >>>> >>>>Are we really going to place FOW and Supergrass -collectively or any >>>>other ways in the same class as the Beatles? Or any other band for that >>>>matter? >>>> >>>>C'mon, they are the friggin template for crying out loud. This list >>>>would not exist had the Beatles not contributed. >>>>IMO.? >>>>OK, as far as main-stream pop goes for the 60's, you have Sgt,. Pepper & >>>>Pet Sounds as the two "God -like" albums to propel popular music. Sure, >>>>it can be said that many good things have come from many good and >>>>"influenced bands" that we all love to hear, but the simple fact is >>>>-these two records are the template, are the benchmark and they have not >>>>been rivaled since. >>>>Who? Who has bettered these albums? Who? >>>>You can't, it's not possible-because THEY created the master formula by >>>>which all pop music WE here on the list listen to. >>>> >>>>Donald Fagen said : the best thing to happen to music in the past 35 >>>>years is Reggae. His opinion, but his point well made. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:39:39 +0000 >>>> "Gene Good" wrote: >>>>>I may be in a minority here,but I believe "Sgt. Pepper" to be a mind >>>>>blowing album.Packaging and especially music.Totally worked for me the >>>>>day it came out and still does.And hearing it upon release may be the >>>>>ticket .I can't really compare it to "Rubber Soul" or "Revolver".It >>>>>stands alone as a masterpiece.A natural progression for the group. >>>>> >>>>> Gene >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>From: "Sager, Greg" >>>>>>Reply-To: audities@smoe.org >>>>>>To: audities@smoe.org >>>>>>Subject: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal >>>>>>blockage) >>>>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:31:29 -0500 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>That's easy. *All Things Must Pass* is a much better album than *Sgt. >>>>>>Pepper*. *ATMP* is loaded with songs -- "Wah Wah", "My Sweet Lord", >>>>>>"What Is Life", "Art of Dying", "Awaiting On You All", etc. -- that >>>>>>equal or surpass anything that appeared on *SPLHCB*, and there's more >>>>>>of >>>>>>'em. Part of the reason behind that is because, as John Micek and >>>>>>countless other demythologists have pointed out in recent years, >>>>>>*SPLHCB* is a thoroughly overrated album that's lacking in strong >>>>>>songs. >>>>>>The greatness of *Sgt. Pepper* lies in its groundbreaking graphic >>>>>>presentation (cover art, printed lyrics), eclecticism, and sheer >>>>>>ability >>>>>>to transform the pop-culture zeitgeist rather than in the music itself >>>>>>-- and the music should be the starting point and the end point of how >>>>>>any album or song is judged. >>>>>> >>>>>>*ATMP* has its share of filler, and the jam session that makes up the >>>>>>last quarter or third of the album is a self-indulgent waste, but as a >>>>>>collection of songs it easily outstrips *SPLHCB*. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Greg Sager >>>>> >>>>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>>>Need a break? 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