but I know of no one who has created as a > significant "new sound" since. Defeated attitude? No man, not at all. A > simple question. > 1977. The first Clash record. To me, that's the sound of a movement being created. And it was at least as important as anything The Beatles ever did. To borrow a phrase, they ripped it up and started again. john. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:27 AM Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal > No, no .... > > You misunderstand me. I would never say quit, otherwise I would have sold > off my studio and stopped writing songs years ago. Let us all give up (for > one minute)....that the Beatles are divine and no one could possibly do > better. I was trying to point out that the many listeners of pop music who > reside on the discussion group are lovers of pop...no? > > Ok, simple question here, aside from the magic of the time (1960's), the > actual timing for the Beatles and the fact that the audience of the 60's > was ready for something great ..... lets just look at the songs, the > arsenal of excellent material and now lets look at any artist since who > has forged their own template(way the Beatles did)to or rather-branched > off to do something special and unique- AND has rivaled the Beatles in > this way of excellent fresh material, so that the world universally > recognizes as they might have the Beatles collective works. > > I was simply asking all to offer up those artists? How are they? Where are > they? I have my favorites stored in 1000's of cd's.... > > Peace > > > On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:27:04 -0400 > "John L. Micek" wrote: >> Well, crap. If we can't do better than the almighty Beatles, we might as >> well put away the guitars and just quit. >> C'mon, man. What kind of defeatist attitude is that? Yeah, the Beatles >> were good. But they're not sacred and inviolable. There are, >> unbelievably, other bands I like better than them. I recognize their >> overall historical importance, but in the same way I recognize the >> Declaration of Independence as important -- as an historical starting >> point that has, in fact, been improved upon with the passage of time. >> That's what the first wave of British punk was all about -- ripping it up >> and starting again. And I'd argue that we're in a similar period right >> now with YouTube, Garageband and all the rest. >> The next gen. is grabbing onto the kind of music they want to make, and >> it doesn't have bubkes to do with Sgt. Pepper. >> And you know what? >> They do put Fountains of Wayne, or Fall Out Boy, or whomever on a higher >> totem pole than The Beatles. Because as far as they're concerned, the >> Beatles are ancient history -- something their Dad. Or, god forbid, their >> Grandad listened to back in the day. >> And that's the way it oughta be. >> Was Pet Sounds an amazing record? >> Yes. >> Was it the template for everything that came after? >> Not so much. Not too many contemporary pop records out there (outside of >> our musical ghetto) that sound like Pet Sounds. And that's okay too. >> After all, you said it yourself: >> >>>Who? Who has bettered these albums? Who? >>> You can't, it's not possible-because THEY created the master formula by >>> which all pop music WE here on the list listen to. >> >> And that's just it. >> We're a slice of a slice of a slice of the entire music market. I'm sure >> there are listeners who'd put "Fear of a Black Planet," or "Legalize It," >> on their all-time great lists way ahead of Pepper -- if it even made >> their lists at all. >> >> And I'm guessing John Lennon would barf if we knew we were trying to >> preserve him in amber like this. >> >> john micek. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:03 PM >> Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal >> >> >>> >>> .... putting spoon away .......... >>> >>> Well said, and I could not agree more. >>> >>> Are we really going to place FOW and Supergrass -collectively or any >>> other ways in the same class as the Beatles? Or any other band for that >>> matter? >>> >>> C'mon, they are the friggin template for crying out loud. This list >>> would not exist had the Beatles not contributed. >>> IMO.? >>> OK, as far as main-stream pop goes for the 60's, you have Sgt,. Pepper & >>> Pet Sounds as the two "God -like" albums to propel popular music. Sure, >>> it can be said that many good things have come from many good and >>> "influenced bands" that we all love to hear, but the simple fact >>> is -these two records are the template, are the benchmark and they have >>> not been rivaled since. >>> Who? Who has bettered these albums? Who? >>> You can't, it's not possible-because THEY created the master formula by >>> which all pop music WE here on the list listen to. >>> >>> Donald Fagen said : the best thing to happen to music in the past 35 >>> years is Reggae. His opinion, but his point well made. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:39:39 +0000 >>> "Gene Good" wrote: >>>> I may be in a minority here,but I believe "Sgt. Pepper" to be a mind >>>> blowing album.Packaging and especially music.Totally worked for me the >>>> day it came out and still does.And hearing it upon release may be the >>>> ticket .I can't really compare it to "Rubber Soul" or "Revolver".It >>>> stands alone as a masterpiece.A natural progression for the group. >>>> >>>> Gene >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Sager, Greg" >>>>>Reply-To: audities@smoe.org >>>>>To: audities@smoe.org >>>>>Subject: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal >>>>>blockage) >>>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:31:29 -0500 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>That's easy. *All Things Must Pass* is a much better album than *Sgt. >>>>>Pepper*. *ATMP* is loaded with songs -- "Wah Wah", "My Sweet Lord", >>>>>"What Is Life", "Art of Dying", "Awaiting On You All", etc. -- that >>>>>equal or surpass anything that appeared on *SPLHCB*, and there's more >>>>>of >>>>>'em. Part of the reason behind that is because, as John Micek and >>>>>countless other demythologists have pointed out in recent years, >>>>>*SPLHCB* is a thoroughly overrated album that's lacking in strong >>>>>songs. >>>>>The greatness of *Sgt. Pepper* lies in its groundbreaking graphic >>>>>presentation (cover art, printed lyrics), eclecticism, and sheer >>>>>ability >>>>>to transform the pop-culture zeitgeist rather than in the music itself >>>>>-- and the music should be the starting point and the end point of how >>>>>any album or song is judged. >>>>> >>>>>*ATMP* has its share of filler, and the jam session that makes up the >>>>>last quarter or third of the album is a self-indulgent waste, but as a >>>>>collection of songs it easily outstrips *SPLHCB*. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Greg Sager >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Need a break? 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