they both gave me a headache when i worked with them... all the inter band break ups & turmoil and what-ever... :) at one point attic records had to choose which of the two groups that split from Hot Tip could be Hot Tip (!!) somewhere in my photo archive, i have a great mod photo shoot I did with the Numbers (anyone googling & re-issuing that lp, call me!) sometimes having worked with the musicians really ruins good music for me both are good records - i can't listen to them, however... the cool bass player ended up fronting Pretty Green, one of the first Nettwerk releases... speaking of toronto mod bands - The Mods (aka The News) are apparently thinking of re-uniting for a one-off show next year. These guys were the real deal and smoked The Numbers/Hot Tip (pun intentional) any day of the week.. amazing band with David Quinton on drums (later with Stiv bators) ralph NOTE: July 31- Bongo Beat Night, The Joint, Los Angeles IPO http://www.bongobeat.com