with regard to the following quote ("I'd like to take this opportunity to bring up something that hasn't been mentioned: Paul McCartney continues to be one of the best bassists in all of rock and roll. His compositional chops may have become spotty, but the cat can still play some MFing bass"), McCartney is my second favorite bassist ever. Go Bruce Thomas! Any Bruce supporters in the house? Ed Masley -----Original Message----- From: audities-owner@smoe.org [mailto:audities-owner@smoe.org] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:00 AM To: audities@smoe.org Subject: audities-digest V3 #59 (10 msgs) The Audities Digest: for the discussion of insanely great pop Volume 3 : Issue 59 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Paul McCartney [Michael Bennett ] Re: Paul McCartney ["Sager, Greg" ] Wings At The Speed Of Paul ["Jaimie Vernon" ] Enough McCartney....? ["Miguel Motta" ] Re: Enough McCartney....? [Ken Kase ] Re: Enough McCartney....? ["Josh Chasin" ] Re: Enough McCartney....? ["Jaimie Vernon" ] Top 20 poll progress [Michael Bennett ] McCartneys Die in Hot Cars [bob_hutton@standardlife.com] Re: McCartneys Die in Hot Cars ["Miguel Motta" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:08:35 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Bennett To: audities@smoe.org Subject: Re: Paul McCartney Message-ID: <20050120220835.87836.qmail@web81402.mail.yahoo.com> Bill, your point is well taken regarding the thrust of Lefsetz's piece, though I would say that even taking that into account, I didn't find that he conveyed it that effectively -- that is, I got the emotions he was trying to convey, but found that his incoherent manner made it annoying to read. Bottom line -- Bob has passed on a number of Lefsetz pieces, and the writing is just a turn off for me -- the viewpoints, whether I agree or disagree, are worth disseminating. Mike Bennett NP: The Bees -- FREE THE BEES --- Bill wrote: > > > > > From: Michael Bennett > > Date: 2005/01/20 Thu PM 04:20:58 GMT > > To: audities@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: Paul McCartney > > > > This piece might be more meaningful if Mr. Lefsetz > > knew how to write. This could be edited down to > about > > a paragraph or two, and make the same points much > more > > effectively. > > > > Michael, as one attorney to another (who are cursed > to read a certain type of writing), you are of > course correct - it could have been edited to a > couple of simple bullet points. But, that wasn't > the whole point. Such editing might make the > rational arguement easier to digest. However, the > rational arguement is secondary to the emotive and I > think he makes that arguement quite well, as he trys > to portray the emotional reaction within a context > of the time. Sure it is scattered and never quite > direct, but as someone who was around at the time, > it had the ring of truth and I was glad Bob posted > it. > > "Band on the Run" was the post Beatles statement. > And at the time you said damn McCartney really did > it, which was a suprise because Lefsetz was right, > his prior solo albums were "slight". The sad part > is that "Band on the Run" proved he could do it, but > overall despite all the subsequent great tracks and > even enjoyable albums, he went backwards towards > "slight". Lefsetz's writing, to me, captured that > sense better than the straight rational arguement. > > Bill > > > > ===== Chicago Pop Show Report on Yahoo Groups: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/chicagopopshowreport/?yguid=162827291 Music reviews: http://www.fufkin.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:52:47 -0600 From: "Sager, Greg" To: "'audities@smoe.org'" Subject: Re: Paul McCartney Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:08:00 +0000 From: Bill To: Subject: Re: Paul McCartney Message-ID: <20050120210800.IGHJ1106.out003.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> Michael, as one attorney to another (who are cursed to read a certain type of writing), you are of course correct - it could have been edited to a couple of simple bullet points. But, that wasn't the whole point. Such editing might make the rational arguement easier to digest. However, the rational arguement is secondary to the emotive and I think he makes that arguement quite well, as he trys to portray the emotional reaction within a context of the time. Sure it is scattered and never quite direct, but as someone who was around at the time, it had the ring of truth and I was glad Bob posted it. "Band on the Run" was the post Beatles statement. And at the time you said damn McCartney really did it, which was a suprise because Lefsetz was right, his prior solo albums were "slight". The sad part is that "Band on the Run" proved he could do it, but overall despite all the subsequent great tracks and even enjoyable albums, he went backwards towards "slight". Lefsetz's writing, to me, captured that sense better than the straight rational arguement. Pffft. Mike Bennett was right. Lefsetz's piece was tedious and poorly written. A good editor would've red-penned about 70% of it, and ABOVE all else would've MADE him STOP that IDIOTIC habit of CAPITALIZING words that MADE me feel as though he was Mussolini RANTING at the CROWD from the BALCONY. There's nothing wrong with a speech in which the rational argument is secondary to the emotive. But there's a difference between "emotive" and "bludgeoning". Gregory Sager ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:45:21 -0500 From: "Jaimie Vernon" To: audities@smoe.org Subject: Wings At The Speed Of Paul Message-ID: AT Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:50:49 Stewart wrote: >I've always thought "San Ferry Anne" was a highly underrated tune, along >the lines of the equally underappreciated "Single Pigeon." Pull "Silly Love Songs", "Let 'Em In" and "Cook Of The House" (WTF?) and you've got a *REAL* WINGS album....McCartney's only decent contribution on there was the bitchin' rocker "Beware My Love". Jaimie Vernon, President, Bullseye Records "Not Suing Our Customers Since 1985!!" http://www.bullseyecanada.com Author, Canadian Pop Music Encyclopedia http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Pop_Encyclopedia/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:40:16 -0500 From: "Miguel Motta" To: Subject: Enough McCartney....? Message-ID: <000d01c4ff49$651d6fe0$6401a8c0@mickey9iv6t2fx> ...The fact that the McCartney topic not only has survived various days without letting up and not only that but has branched out into different directions is proof positive that, like his music or lump it, he is still a musical force to contend with... hard pressed (to play) to find other artists that can elicit this type of non-stop commentary even if we flog a few dead horses in the process... The enduring power of The Beatles, collective and individual, will create discussions for centuries to the contentment or dismay of many... Cheers, Miguel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:05:56 -0600 From: Ken Kase To: Subject: Re: Enough McCartney....? Message-ID: -- Ken Kase Editor www.nighttimes.com / Night Times, LLC On 1/20/05 5:40 PM, "Miguel Motta" wrote: > ...The fact that the McCartney topic not only has survived various days > without letting up and not only that but has branched out into different > directions is proof positive that, like his music or lump it, he is still a > musical force to contend with... hard pressed (to play) to find other artists > that can elicit this type of non-stop commentary even if we flog a few dead > horses in the process... The enduring power of The Beatles, collective and > individual, will create discussions for centuries to the contentment or dismay > of many... > > Cheers, > > Miguel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:59:54 -0500 From: "Josh Chasin" To: Subject: Re: Enough McCartney....? Message-ID: <021d01c4ff76$0cd6bd00$6401a8c0@WarpSpeed> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Kase" > I'd like to take this opportunity to bring up something that hasn't been > mentioned: Paul McCartney continues to be one of the best bassists in all > of > rock and roll. His compositional chops may have become spotty, but the cat > can still play some MFing bass. Excellent point. Lennon used to say that this was one of the secret weapons of Paul's records. And it was why I thought "Figure of Eight" was such an inspired choice to open the 89/90 tour, his first in a while; the song has a very prominent bass line, and it was like coming out on the very first number and dispelling any question whatsoever about his musical chops, almost like a throwdown. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:05:49 -0500 From: "Jaimie Vernon" To: audities@smoe.org Subject: Re: Enough McCartney....? Message-ID: At Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:59:54 Josh wrote: His compositional chops may have become spotty, but the cat >>can still play some MFing bass. > >Excellent point. Lennon used to say that this was one of the secret >weapons of Paul's records. And it was why I thought "Figure of Eight" was >such an inspired choice to open the 89/90 tour, his first in a while; the >song has a very prominent bass line, and it was like coming out on the very >first number and dispelling any question whatsoever about his musical >chops, almost like a throwdown. If indeed he is a bass God (and I his obedient disciple) why did he hand the lines in "Silly Love Songs" over the bassist from Toto on the 'Give My Regards To Broadstreet' soundtrack? It's always baffled me. Jaimie Vernon, President, Bullseye Records "Not Suing Our Customers Since 1985!!" http://www.bullseyecanada.com Author, Canadian Pop Music Encyclopedia http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Pop_Encyclopedia/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:29:51 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Bennett To: Audities Subject: Top 20 poll progress Message-ID: <20050121042951.23575.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com> Hey everyone -- The initial tabulations have been completed. Next up is the double checking, then the totalling, then the ranking. The results will be up over the weekend. I need some sleep... Mike Bennett NP: Kaleidoscope -- Complete Epic Recordings ===== Chicago Pop Show Report on Yahoo Groups: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/chicagopopshowreport/?yguid=162827291 Music reviews: http://www.fufkin.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:19:46 +0000 From: bob_hutton@standardlife.com To: audities@smoe.org Subject: McCartneys Die in Hot Cars Message-ID: Marty, I know how to use the delete key, I just don't want to have to delete every digest that hits my mailbox! Bob S - Haha, very good - but this thread has really milked the McCartney teat bone dry, no? Miguel's - "the enduring power of the Beatles" - what was it that John Lennon said? Something like "We were just a rock and roll band, that's all". Now will y'all please just let it be! D'Oh! I've just realised on listening to Dogs Die in Hot Cars album a lot over the last few days that, had I bought it sooner, there's a good chance it would be up there rivalling Franz Ferdinand for the no. 1 spot in my top 20, that's how groovy it is (IMHO). And yes it's got XTC smeared all over it. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:49:24 -0500 From: "Miguel Motta" To: Subject: Re: McCartneys Die in Hot Cars Message-ID: <001201c4ffaf$40b1a480$6401a8c0@mickey9iv6t2fx> Miguel's - "the enduring power of the Beatles" - what was it that John Lennon said? Something like "We were just a rock and roll band, that's all". Lennon was, IMO, being humble about all the hoopla... A well known fact about Lennon is that he hated headsets in the recording studio as he couldn't stand to hear himself... Does that make him less of one of rock n' roll's greatest vocalists?... One's own opinion of oneself doesn't diminish greatness if it is present... Lennon's humbleness by saying "We're just a rock and roll band, that's all" makes him, and therefore The Beatles and their subsequent post-Beatle efforts, IMO, even greater and worthy of continuous posts such as the one we're having currently... Don't worry, the posts will fade away eventually as other worthy (and not so) emerge... but get ready to see them resurface at any given time... Cheers, Miguel ------------------------------ End of audities-digest V3 #59 (10 msgs) **********