Josh wrote.. >Otherwise I couldn't >agree with Dave more. The institutionalizing of a lossy format really >sticks in my craw. I want my music to have more data, not less. The thing that really surprises me about these Ipod devices and their users, is why don't people use their ability to play .wav files if mp3s are disliked so much? (personally, mp3s are fine for walkman type situations with traffic noise etc in the background). I know Ipods can play .wavs as can the Creative Nomads. You can still fit something like 50-75 full length albums on a 20Gig Ipod at full sampling rate. Pretty handy.. I don't have one yet, but i look forward to using mp3s and .wavs depending on how critical the listening is. Like i doubt i'll need my Motown and Stax collection to be .wavs as they don't have much about 10k anyway!! :-) Just my $0.02 MC