See breakdown below: Part a - misses the point of those posts including my own (even if it's expressed as an opinion). Why would I expect better? Part b - ad hominen, and on it's face, baseless. part c - Again, it's your opinion and therefore why argue, but it shows tremendous insensitivity towards his fans at a difficult time. Oh right, it's Lord Granger. that's about as much time as that deserves. Why return with this puny hearted diatribe? craig -----Original Message----- From: Lord Granger [mailto:glowfriend2003@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:50 AM To: audities@smoe.org Subject: Re: Elliot Smith/Cats And Dogs --part a With all due respect to Ms. Colter and the others who so gracefully illustrated the peculiar lifestyle difficulties of the clinically depressed, I must express my personal opinion that Elliot Smith was a strung-out doper with more than enough resources to attain -- and acheive -- sobriety; that he chose to dwell in his own personal hell is an obvious result of his deep-seated personal shortcomings. -part b Trust me, I've known him on a first-name basis since 1997, having run into him time and time again in Los Angeles and Portland. Egotistical and precious, that was Elloit. The guy was a loser and deserves his rightful place in Hell's Discography. -part c As for his music, I found it to be predictible, trite, and less than engaging; the word "indulgent" comes to mind. -part b continued That he received ANY breaks at all (and, believe me, he received PLENTY) is a miracle.