Thanks, Verm...you just saved me a callous on my typing finger...

bob


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jaimie Vernon" <bullseyecanada@hotmail.com>



> At Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:38:35 Holly wrote:
>
> >I want to thank Wendy and others who have offered some insight into the
> >world of chronic >depression and suicide.  I lost several people who very
> >close to me, who each committed suicide.  >Each time, I had to realize
that
> >I cannot judge their decision.  They were in a mental state that
>sometimes
> >leads to irrational thoughts and actions.  People experiencing an episode
> >of deep >depression cannot understand how irrational they are.  They are
> >not in control of the mindset, and do >not make a conscious decision to
> >prove something, or hurt someone, or even "coward" down to >their
"demons".
> >They just want their pain to end.
>
> You don't know this anymore than I knew what my best-friend's fiance was
> thinking when she took a shotgun and blew her own head off. Though, the
> suicide note to him said: "This is your fault". So we have a good idea
that
> her thoughts may have been quite rational....but not based in fact.
>
> I *do* judge people like this because, unlike a living tormentor who can
be
> avoided or kept at arms length or ignored, those that commit suicide get
to
> continue their emotional harassment from beyond the grave.
>
> Elliott Smith brought many, many people into his personal circle...both as
a
> human being and as a musician. Trust, love, admiration ensued. Then he
chose
> when that emotional relationship would end. The term loser was applied, by
> me, to him because he not only didn't care about his own well being, but
he
> didn't care about those that were left behind. Two concepts he had to
> reconcile or deny in order to take his own life.
>
> That makes him culpible for his actions. Not a helpless victim.
>
> I feel sorry for the fans that were sucked into believing in this guy. And
> if you make him the martyr then he still maintains the control he had over
> you in life.
>
> The suffering is certainly over for him, but the anguish will live forever
> in those left behind to clean up his mess (mentally and physically).
>
> I remain, unsympathetic.
>
> VERMIN, THE HEARTLESS F*CKIN' ASSHOLE