In a message dated 9/2/03 3:30:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TwangBoy@aol.com writes: << Hurray! I agree wholeheartedlly, especially with MWP and Koppes in the Church......tho clearly not 'pop', theywere certainly doing things on their gutars that later echoed the interplay between Verlaine and Lloyd in Television......and also a big influence on my 12 string Rick playing here in Boston in the '80's too........ Jim H. >> Hey!? Jim H? Is this Jim Horan? If so I knew you back in the 80's. Church shows? Does the name Catherine Tocker mean anything? If not, I apologize. MB