Let the bullshit begin!


>From: Craig Leve <CraigL@ori.org>
>Reply-To: audities@smoe.org
>To: "'audities@smoe.org'" <audities@smoe.org>
>Subject: Re: FOW and Billy Joel? (rant warning)
>Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:03:43 -0700
>
>Honestly this post and stuff like Gabe's make me at once really sad, but
>also angry (and heck, sad isn't hard for me, but angry isn't something I
>have in much quantity). The moments I want to leave this list are when 
>folks
>tell me whether something fits THEIR cookie cutter. No, I'm not champing on
>about the 'Audities party line' issue, which we've sliced and diced, ad
>nauseum. I really don't like folks announcing for me where the borders are,
>and what labels I should apply. Basically what the *rhymes with puck* does
>it matter if Billy Joel is "ROCK" in the scheme of things and on what basis
>are you even passing this judgement? I don't mean to sound sanctimonious,
>but honestly - we're capable of much better around here.  I'm not averse to
>good solid criticism, and the very witty and SUBSTANTIVE dressing down that
>goes on here, reveals a lot of naked emperors. But these posts are just
>lunkhead ad hominen wanking as far as I'm concerned. Honestly these kinds 
>of
>posts make me less scared to post - not more.  When the list sinks this 
>low,
>it really takes away the barriers to saying just about anything.  In that
>vein, I hope you'll excuse this rant.
>
>For the record: I'm a fan of Billy Joel, though not over the top.  I agree
>with the poster who lauded "All for Leyna" - what a GREAT record. I'm not
>much of a fan of rap, but I honestly believe there is much more to this
>world than is dreamt of in my own philosophy.  I simply don't know it
>sufficiently to offer much, so I don't.
>
>When I love this list: at it's most guilt-free, championing old & new music
>that truly rings someone's bell. When I read something that leads me to 
>hear
>something old, but fresh again - making me rethink it - sometimes for good,
>and sometimes for worse. In other words, I don't need all the 'up with
>music' but for god sakes, give me something to consider.
>
>again, apologies for going off - but sometimes I feel like we're just
>getting our groove back, and something kicks us right back to this sorry
>spot. Hoping I'm not a contributor to that.  best,
>
>craig
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Free, Doug [mailto:DFree@thedoctors.com]
>Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:36 PM
>To: 'audities@smoe.org'
>Subject: Re: FOW and Billy Joel?
>
>
>I really like the 1st FOW record (and that's the only one I own, so I can't
>judge the new one) but I have to agree with Gabriel....Billy + Joel does 
>not
>= rock.  -Doug
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gabriel Fuentes [mailto:gabriel.fuentes@sbcglobal.net]
>Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:31 PM
>To: audities@smoe.org
>Subject: FOW and Billy Joel?
>
>
>Ok..now I know why I feel so bland about the new FOW--it is inspired by
>Billy Joel..
>
>Billy Joel and has nothing to do with rock'n'roll...
>
>thanks explaining this to me you all..
>
>all the best,
>
>gabriel

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