> The industry source for tracking sales is Soundscan. I'm curious. If I buy > a CD from Not Lame or Parasol, does Soundscan ever know about it? Recently > I bought 2 CDs each directly from Joe Jackson and Rikki Lee Jones, in each > case from their websites. Does Soundscan know about these? This a debate. Some mail order places now DO use soundscan. CDBaby, in particular. Why? Well, a loto f the artists on there really think it's an important value-added service that they provide, as does CD Baby. That works fine for them and it is a value-added service. If the band is looking to get a record deal. But you know, my point of view would be that is not the job of Not Lame. That's the job of the band and their managers/handlers. Our job is to sell music, not track it for major labels to get an idea of what's going on with what we're doing. Our data only enhances the value of Soundscan's stock. And we do all the work w/ gathering, organizing and submitting the data. For nothing. Um, sorry. I have great music to find and tell our customers about, much better things to do. But thanks for the offer, SS. Most indie artists are driven by the same deal that Owsley took. A major label deal. The supposed end-all for a musician. Show a sales history on your record, the major labels, *theoretically*, pay attention. And the potential pay day looms. (even though that's utter fallacy but it's a prime motivator for far too many bands). That he's now crying the tears of bitter disappointment publically to his fans and blaming the internet? Shortsighted, wrong and lazy. So he can't be a full time touring musician anymore. Well, so it goes. We'd all like a lot of things we donšt' have. Back to Soundscan: Pretty sure Parasol does not do SS, but Not Lame does not. Why? Well, until recently, they would not take numbers from mail order companies like the above ones. They have modified their requirements, though. But honestly, it's an arm of the macro-part of the music industry that I think has *very* little relevance to the model and purpose of Not Lame, as a label and as a mail order store. And we donšt' have the time or resources to submit. The indie bands who we carry, who would like to see us do that, most of them want the soundscans to position for a potential record deal/management deal/whatever deal. It's just not Not Lame's bag. And I sure can live with that. The mission here it to get music we think rocks, out and into music fans' lives, who rock every bit as much as the musicians who create the music do. What the music industry is obsessed with this week/month/year just is not what we're good at. And the people buying music is the gas/petrol that makes the machine move forward and go somewhere. The only people impressed by Soundscan numbers are the big players in the larger areas of the music industry. And that's fine, of course. These players extract meaning from those numbers, generally, in a h orrifically clueless manner as they relate to creating 'profit', equity in their releases. They use the numbers as important signposts on which to make decisions on a band or style of music, figure out trends in touring markets of a band, what's working at retil, what's not.. Empirical data *is* important, don't get me wrong. The meaning attached to soundscans numbers, as it relates to Not Lame's business does not. Well, guess what? Tons of records are being sold that are not being tracked by the RIAA or Sounscan. Pull up the soundscans on Not Lame titles and they look pitiful. Well, sales on most of the releases ARE just that, actually. ;-) But seriously, 3/4 of our sales are not tracked SS. Take the Jellyfish box, the most successful release in our history. Pushing 8.000 sold on the amazing 4 CD set. Who would have thought. Not EMI, not the fans, not even me(I was hoping 5,000). Pull the soundscans on them. I'm not sure what they are, but my educated, yet still clueless guess: 2,300. (you may handsomely, btw, to have access to Soundscan's numbers.....) I could make a call and find out. But I have better things to do, quite honestly as the n umbers from SS just are not going to drive what and how I run my business. Ever. The two different numbers o f the sales above do not inter-relate or connect to the reality. I'd like to think that Not Lame operates outside of the machinations and many of the truly lamer principles held up as 'truth' in the music industry. Hey, in our small way, we've beaten all the odds anyway being in business for 8 years. We still have a job to to and that job is to get great music into music fans' hands. Be it on the label. Or w/ the mail order. That is why Not Lame works. Not soundscan numbers for its releases *or* for the bands its carries on its mail order. The internet is not the problem. Or the solution. David Bash wrote this earlier today about further clarification on Will's feelings: He probably could re-record the tunes on his own and possibly "get away with it", or write completely new tunes and record those, but he's willing to take the gamble of waiting out the label because a) he's really proud of the recordings, and b) they were very expensive to make, and he doesn't feel he could do these songs the same kind of justice should he re-record them on his own dime. My response: WRONG. Why don't artists believe in their abilities to create music w/o the huge $ resources of major labels is beyond me in 2003. That's just borderline ridiculous. Brad Jones could do a Owsley record wonderfully for $10-15K. Michael Carpenter for half that. He could re-record them just fine. If he had the heart for it. He does not and that's fine. Other great artists will continue to create and fill the vacuum he chooses to not to participate in. sad. This Pop Music, not Rick Wakeman's "Journey to The Center Of The Earth". Peace, Bruce Brodeen @ Not Lame Recordings