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| From | "Holmes Online" <bholmes_fm@msn.com> |
| Subject | Re: Hey Cubs fans |
| Date | Fri, 1 May 2009 12:32:31 -0400 |
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The third comment has nothing to do with the lyrics or the meaning of the
song. You are not getting that despite my best efforts, so it's
understandable that you are coming to the conclusions that you are.
File under: Agree to disagree,
b
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Sager" <hochsalzburg@yahoo.com>
To: <audities@smoe.org>
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Hey Cubs fans
>
>
>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:37:58 -0400
>> From: "Holmes Online" <bholmes_fm@msn.com>
>> To: <audities@smoe.org>
>> Subject: Re: Hey Cubs fans
>> Message-ID: <BLU132-DAV9FBB119F74AFAC2CE1CEDE36F0@phx.gbl>
>>
>> Let me try one more time.
>>
>> * Goodman sings a heartfelt song about the Cubs never
>> winning
>
> Right so far.
>
>> * Cub and music fans find the silver lining in that cloud
>> because it's a
>> great song by a great performer about a shared passion
>
> OK, still tracking with you.
>
>> * Even that good will (finding solace in misery) won't
>> create enough karma
>> to overcome the Cub destiny, which is failure.
>
> Here's where you blow it. "Karma", whether good or bad, has absolutely
> nothing to do with this song.
>
> There was no ulterior intention to create good karma for the Cubs on
> Goodman's part when he wrote it and recorded it -- in his interviews
> regarding the song he claimed that he was simply getting the frustration
> of following a perpetually-futile baseball team off of his chest.
>
> Nor has there ever been any inference made by Cubs fans that this song
> somehow imparts good karma upon the team. After all, he first began
> performing it publicly in 1980 -- although it didn't appear on vinyl until
> his *Affordable Art* album released in January '84 -- and 1980 was the
> eighth of an eventual eleven straight years in which the Cubs did not
> finish the season with a winning record. (He had various Cubs outfielders
> "drop a routine fly" in the lyrics when he performed it live, finally
> settling on Keith Moreland as the miscreant in question by the time that
> he recorded it.) On the contrary, this is a song which older Cubs fans
> consider a reminder of the basement-dwelling ineptitude of the Cubs during
> the postwar era of Wrigley family ownership -- hence, the words, "The land
> of the free, the home of the brave, and the doormat of the National
> League" -- as opposed to the good-team-that-chokes-in-autumn reputation of
> the latter-day Cubs that they
> have inherited from the Red Sox. The idea that "good karma" can somehow be
> derived from a blatantly pessimistic song recorded three decades ago about
> a team that hasn't won a pennant since then is patently absurd on its
> face, and no Cubs fan interprets it that way.
>
> Nor is there a consensus of any sort that the goodwill created by finding
> a shared solace in misery creates good karma. Finally, for all we know,
> Steve Goodman went to his grave a good Jewish boy who didn't even believe
> in the existence of the Hindu doctrine of karma.
>
>>
>> Trust me, I understand the song. I have not linked the
>> *message* of the song
>> to *Cubs Win! Cubs Win!*...that is you misreading my post,
>> not me inferring
>> a different message to the song.
>
>
> You have not yet convinced me that you *do* understand the song, because
> you keep imparting to it a property -- or an attempt at a property -- that
> it was never meant to have.
>
>
> Gregory Sager
>
>
>
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