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| From | rob@splitsville.com |
| Subject | Re: Caution, May Induce Vomiting |
| Date | Thu, 25 Dec 2008 20:10:35 +0000 |
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Oh no, never said it was a 'good thing'...that's pretty much one's opinion.
I do feel that my statement is historically accurate, however.
(I will concede that I'm generalizing to a degree. Rock/hair bands of the late 80's had tremendous success before Nirvana, etc)
MTV brought this style of music, language and dress into the living rooms of America and things changed drastically. And this happened only after the exposure and success of Jackson on MTV.
I was at the perfect age to observe all this...suddenly it was all Jackson, then Prince then Yo MTV Raps.
Again, having the charts dominated by Beyonce, Lil Wayne, Lil John, Lil Stereotype, etc is good or bad depending on your point of view.
For the record, rap leaves me cold.
And I'll put London Calling and Never Mind the Bollocks next to any, ANY, two albums from 64-74, and they will more than hold their own.
But that's only me.
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Bill Jones" <wigout6@juno.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:36:04
To: <audities@smoe.org>
Subject: Re: Caution, May Induce Vomiting
> I agree completely, John. "Thriller" also got blacks artists on MTV, which included rap, which then enabled that whole genre (and what I guess is now 'new R and B') to basically take over the charts. Nirvana and other grunge bands had nice but brief chart success; the chart topping rock band seems pretty rare these days. Seems like it's all rappers and divas, with the occasionally rock band thrown in. And with black artists dominating the charts and MTV, it's changed the way all these suburban white kids dress and talk the last 20 years. It's completely mainstream now. Before Jackson on MTV it wasn't. 64-74- yea, right. For every Beatles there was shit like Vanilla Fudge. Smoke another joint, hippie.
Kinda confused here, Rob... You've noted that Thriller essentially opened the door to black artists / rap / new R&B taking over the mainstream charts, with rock band success becoming an infrequent to rare event (e.g., Green Day, The Killers). And that's a good thing? Personally, I kinda miss rock & roll being a mainstream presence.
It seems to me that the era Lefsetz references had a more healthy mix than today of great music being created in all genres (rock, soul, pop, etc.), AND being heard by a wide audience across the country, but on radio, rather than the niche-inducing Internet. If that wasn't his main point / argument, then I guess I skimmed his piece too quickly.
Be seeing you,
Bill
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