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| From | Bob Hutton <bobhutton@btinternet.com> |
| Subject | Re: Too much art! |
| Date | Mon, 14 May 2007 21:25:35 +0100 |
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John Micek, can I disagree and agree with you at the same time?
On an all-encompassing level, can there ever really be too much art in
the world? No, of course not (although sometimes what passes as art
makes me wonder - having a whimsical idea then calling it conceptual art
doesn't always work,IMHO). But generally, more art is a good thing.
The down side is when it comes down to making individual choices. In
all avenues of life, there is a bewildering, INSANE amount of choice
available to us these days. Informed choice takes time, and most of us
don't have enough time to make an informed choice on things any more.
To use an analogy, years ago you could maybe go to the supermarket (or
cornershop) and buy hot pepper sauce. Then more brands became available
which was a good thing, you could try a few then pick your favourite.
Now there are HUNDREDS to choose from - how does one decide? It's the
same choosing a cell-phone contract, there are almost limitless
permutations of handset, inclusive off-peak minutes call time, inclusive
peak minutes, inclusive text messages , bonus add-ons, lengths of
contract. The only thing one can guarantee is that it is impossible to
know if you are getting the best deal or not. So there is more choice
available, but less chance of making an informed decision. You can't
decide rationally, so you have to make a snap decision .
With music, the amount available now is simply unfathomable: filtering
through it, even just to find some of the good stuff can take an
incredible amount of time. That's where peer recommendations (like from
fellow Auditeers) become a way to at least point a person in the right
direction. But I think that there is simply too much out there for
individual brains (mine anyway) to cope with any more.
audities-owner@smoe.org wrote:
> The Audities Digest: for the discussion of insanely great pop
> Volume 5 : Issue 327 : "text" Format
>
> Messages in this Issue:
> Re: I meant KeLLys Heels [Bob Hutton <bob_hutton@standardlife.com>]
> Re: OT: Entertainment Weekly Plea
> [Dan Taylor <editor@hungovergourmet.com>]
> Re: Used CDs / eMusic / P2P [Bob Hutton <bob_hutton@standardlife.com>]
> Re: Used CDs / eMusic / P2P ["Matt Whitby" <matt.whitby@gmail.com>]
> Re: too much and or not enough ["Donnie" <largro13@yahoo.com>]
> Re: Music Biz ["Jaimie Vernon" <bullseyecanada@hotmail.com>]
> Re: Hanson [Dan Taylor <editor@hungovergourmet.com>]
> Downloads and CDs [Bob Hutton <bob_hutton@standardlife.com>]
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:33:47 +0100
> From: Bob Hutton <bob_hutton@standardlife.com>
> To: audities@smoe.org
> Subject: Re: I meant KeLLys Heels
> Message-ID: <OF331372E8.ED757577-ON802572DB.00347077-802572DB.00348AC8@standardlife.com>
>
> Kekky's Heels = Kelly's Heels (damn you, you swollen digits of mine!)
>
> Bob - 0131 24(51188)
> Systems Developer
> IS DG3
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> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 06:45:54 -0400
> From: Dan Taylor <editor@hungovergourmet.com>
> To: audities@smoe.org
> Subject: Re: OT: Entertainment Weekly Plea
> Message-ID: <1C1DC704-420D-47CB-80B1-A9D780EDB3AB@hungovergourmet.com>
>
> Michael:
>
> Do you still need this issue? Drop me a line if so.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Dan Taylor / editor@hungovergourmet.com
> THE HUNGOVER GOURMET
> http://www.hungovergourmet.com
> http://hungovergourmet.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> On May 11, 2007, at 4:06 PM, Michael vg wrote:
>
>
>> Anyone read EW? I promised the kiddies I would pick
>> up the May 11th issue with Heroes on the cover.
>> Forgive me for not realizing the May 11th issue
>> came out May 4th.
>> Plenty to trade, or will pay for.
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:15:27 +0100
> From: Bob Hutton <bob_hutton@standardlife.com>
> To: audities@smoe.org
> Subject: Re: Used CDs / eMusic / P2P
> Message-ID: <OFF0B49BFF.E27591E1-ON802572DB.003884CE-802572DB.003DD959@standardlife.com>
>
> Adam said:
> "This has been an interesting month for me because I finally bought an
> IPod,
> and I've bought more CDs in the last two weeks than I have in five years.
>
> Most of 'em used, too."
> Apart from making some bread for the guys selling the used CDs, how does
> the artist benefit in any way from used CD sales?
>
> Actually, I used to frequent record fairs here in Edinburgh where used
> CDs/ cut-outs / promos would go for £5 - £8 each, roughly. This was how I
> got many of my CDs - The Yellow Pills comps, many of the BigDeal label's
> releases, Greenberry Woods, Idle Wilds, Rhino's D.I.Y. series, Vandalias,
> Matthew Sweet, Redd Kross etc. My eyes were opened when I saw a lot of
> similar stuff in Reckless Records in Chicago in the $0.99 bins! But since
> downloading took hold, these record fairs have become sombre affairs with
> few customers compared to 10 years ago. The ever-changing market.
>
> There are 4 or 5 of my work colleagues who use eMusic - we often take a
> chance on each other's suggestions, so sometimes a band may cop multiple
> downloads via our word-of-mouth tips to each other. My latest discovery -
> "The Sound They Make" by a band called New Ruins - they offered up one
> free download, I liked it enough to take a chance on the album. I've also
> nabbed The Clientele's "Strange Geometry" on the back of recommendations
> by folk on this list. And thanks to Dan F for the tip on Maplewood - I
> restricted myself to the first 2 songs from their album, the rest of it
> does sound a wee bit too laid back for me. Later this month I plan to
> investigate the world of Peter Bjorn and John.
>
> All this talk of the digital age and digital copying vs. home taping got
> me thinking ... with home taping you had the ability to copy your friends'
> LPs in real time to make a slightly inferior copy (which probably wouldn't
> be copied itself without noticeable degradation in sound quality). I
> think the music industry could just about handle that. But with digital
> copying, you can make perfect copies of your friends CDs in next to no
> time at all (I can back up a CD in about 4 mins on my PC). These copies
> can themselves be used to make further perfect copies too! Alternatively
> if you venture into the murky world of P2P sharing, you can get a perfect
> copy of the music collection of virtually anyone on the network, and they
> have access to your collection too. I think one of the main issues many
> people have is that they quickly acquire more music than they can readily
> listen to. I know I am in that position just now after plundering the
> PowerPopLovers blog (R.I.P.) for a lot of older pop music. Note to self:
> stop buying and start listening!
>
> I actually have friends who think I am DAFT in paying anything for music
> in this day and age. One young colleague here looked at me in
> incredulity over lunch one day as I was telling someone else how great a
> new CD was "What do you mean, Bob? You still BUY your music? Good grief
> I never realised anyone around here still did that!" Now this young guy
> was into ambient trance music, which I'd never pay for anyway, but I was
> still surprised by his attitude - not only did he not pay anything for
> music HE obtained, but he was AMAZED that anyone else with a computer DID
> pay. You artists/labels/retailers are just NEVER going to get through to
> guys like that.
>
>
> Bob - 0131 24(51188)
> Systems Developer
> IS DG3
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:15:59 +0100
> From: "Matt Whitby" <matt.whitby@gmail.com>
> To: audities@smoe.org
> Subject: Re: Used CDs / eMusic / P2P
> Message-ID: <1dfd2de0705140515h636f0303s58e74723cba53dce@mail.gmail.com>
>
> The artists that the majority of us like on this lists don't tend to
> sell an inordinate number of albums and buying a CD is simply an
> investment in the development of the next one. I certainly download
> the occassional MP3 to see if i'd like an album and equally I get sent
> MP3s from people saying "You've just GOT to hear this". All of this
> leads to my buying a great deal more CDs than I would otherwise.
>
> I've absolutely no doubt that the Auditeers follow the creed: "If you
> like it then buy it."
>
>
> Matt. England.
>
>
> On 14/05/07, Bob Hutton <bob_hutton@standardlife.com> wrote:
>
>> Adam said:
>> "This has been an interesting month for me because I finally bought an
>> IPod,
>> and I've bought more CDs in the last two weeks than I have in five years.
>>
>> Most of 'em used, too."
>> Apart from making some bread for the guys selling the used CDs, how does
>> the artist benefit in any way from used CD sales?
>>
>> Actually, I used to frequent record fairs here in Edinburgh where used
>> CDs/ cut-outs / promos would go for £5 - £8 each, roughly. This was how I
>> got many of my CDs - The Yellow Pills comps, many of the BigDeal label's
>> releases, Greenberry Woods, Idle Wilds, Rhino's D.I.Y. series, Vandalias,
>> Matthew Sweet, Redd Kross etc. My eyes were opened when I saw a lot of
>> similar stuff in Reckless Records in Chicago in the $0.99 bins! But since
>> downloading took hold, these record fairs have become sombre affairs with
>> few customers compared to 10 years ago. The ever-changing market.
>>
>> There are 4 or 5 of my work colleagues who use eMusic - we often take a
>> chance on each other's suggestions, so sometimes a band may cop multiple
>> downloads via our word-of-mouth tips to each other. My latest discovery -
>> "The Sound They Make" by a band called New Ruins - they offered up one
>> free download, I liked it enough to take a chance on the album. I've also
>> nabbed The Clientele's "Strange Geometry" on the back of recommendations
>> by folk on this list. And thanks to Dan F for the tip on Maplewood - I
>> restricted myself to the first 2 songs from their album, the rest of it
>> does sound a wee bit too laid back for me. Later this month I plan to
>> investigate the world of Peter Bjorn and John.
>>
>> All this talk of the digital age and digital copying vs. home taping got
>> me thinking ... with home taping you had the ability to copy your friends'
>> LPs in real time to make a slightly inferior copy (which probably wouldn't
>> be copied itself without noticeable degradation in sound quality). I
>> think the music industry could just about handle that. But with digital
>> copying, you can make perfect copies of your friends CDs in next to no
>> time at all (I can back up a CD in about 4 mins on my PC). These copies
>> can themselves be used to make further perfect copies too! Alternatively
>> if you venture into the murky world of P2P sharing, you can get a perfect
>> copy of the music collection of virtually anyone on the network, and they
>> have access to your collection too. I think one of the main issues many
>> people have is that they quickly acquire more music than they can readily
>> listen to. I know I am in that position just now after plundering the
>> PowerPopLovers blog (R.I.P.) for a lot of older pop music. Note to self:
>> stop buying and start listening!
>>
>> I actually have friends who think I am DAFT in paying anything for music
>> in this day and age. One young colleague here looked at me in
>> incredulity over lunch one day as I was telling someone else how great a
>> new CD was "What do you mean, Bob? You still BUY your music? Good grief
>> I never realised anyone around here still did that!" Now this young guy
>> was into ambient trance music, which I'd never pay for anyway, but I was
>> still surprised by his attitude - not only did he not pay anything for
>> music HE obtained, but he was AMAZED that anyone else with a computer DID
>> pay. You artists/labels/retailers are just NEVER going to get through to
>> guys like that.
>>
>>
>> Bob - 0131 24(51188)
>> Systems Developer
>> IS DG3
>>
>>
>> This e-mail is confidential, if you are not the intended recipient, do not
>> retain/disclose it and please return it to us. We virus scan and monitor
>> all e-mails but are not responsible for any damage caused by a
>> virus/alteration of our e-mail by a third party after sending.
>>
>> For more information on Standard Life group, visit our website
>> http://www.standardlife.com/
>>
>> Standard Life plc (SC286832), Standard Life Assurance Limited* (SC286833)
>> and Standard Life Employee Services Limited (SC271355) are all registered
>> in Scotland at Standard Life House, 30 Lothian Road, Edinburgh EH1 2DH.
>> *Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. 0131 225
>> 2552. Calls may be recorded/monitored. Standard Life group includes
>> Standard Life plc and its subsidiaries.
>>
>>
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