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From | "Michael Curry" <mikecurry@hotmail.co.uk> |
Subject | Re: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal |
Date | Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:35:17 +0100 |
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It's not my cup o'tea, but many would argue that Public Enemy had a huge
impact and started something pretty special.
Mike.
>From: "John L. Micek" <jlmicek@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: audities@smoe.org
>To: <audities@smoe.org>
>Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal
>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:10:53 -0400
>
>but I know of no one who has created as a
>>significant "new sound" since. Defeated attitude? No man, not at all. A
>>simple question.
>>
>1977.
>The first Clash record.
>To me, that's the sound of a movement being created. And it was at least as
>important as anything The Beatles ever did. To borrow a phrase, they ripped
>it up and started again.
>
>john.
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: <tinyvolcano@wavecable.com>
>To: <audities@smoe.org>
>Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:27 AM
>Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal
>
>
>>No, no ....
>>
>>You misunderstand me. I would never say quit, otherwise I would have sold
>>off my studio and stopped writing songs years ago. Let us all give up (for
>>one minute)....that the Beatles are divine and no one could possibly do
>>better. I was trying to point out that the many listeners of pop music who
>>reside on the discussion group are lovers of pop...no?
>>
>>Ok, simple question here, aside from the magic of the time (1960's), the
>>actual timing for the Beatles and the fact that the audience of the 60's
>>was ready for something great ..... lets just look at the songs, the
>>arsenal of excellent material and now lets look at any artist since who
>>has forged their own template(way the Beatles did)to or rather-branched
>>off to do something special and unique- AND has rivaled the Beatles in
>>this way of excellent fresh material, so that the world universally
>>recognizes as they might have the Beatles collective works.
>>
>>I was simply asking all to offer up those artists? How are they? Where are
>>they? I have my favorites stored in 1000's of cd's....
>>
>>Peace
>>
>>
>>On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:27:04 -0400
>> "John L. Micek" <jlmicek@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>Well, crap. If we can't do better than the almighty Beatles, we might as
>>>well put away the guitars and just quit.
>>>C'mon, man. What kind of defeatist attitude is that? Yeah, the Beatles
>>>were good. But they're not sacred and inviolable. There are,
>>>unbelievably, other bands I like better than them. I recognize their
>>>overall historical importance, but in the same way I recognize the
>>>Declaration of Independence as important -- as an historical starting
>>>point that has, in fact, been improved upon with the passage of time.
>>>That's what the first wave of British punk was all about -- ripping it up
>>>and starting again. And I'd argue that we're in a similar period right
>>>now with YouTube, Garageband and all the rest.
>>>The next gen. is grabbing onto the kind of music they want to make, and
>>>it doesn't have bubkes to do with Sgt. Pepper.
>>>And you know what?
>>>They do put Fountains of Wayne, or Fall Out Boy, or whomever on a higher
>>>totem pole than The Beatles. Because as far as they're concerned, the
>>>Beatles are ancient history -- something their Dad. Or, god forbid, their
>>>Grandad listened to back in the day.
>>>And that's the way it oughta be.
>>>Was Pet Sounds an amazing record?
>>>Yes.
>>>Was it the template for everything that came after?
>>>Not so much. Not too many contemporary pop records out there (outside of
>>>our musical ghetto) that sound like Pet Sounds. And that's okay too.
>>>After all, you said it yourself:
>>>
>>>>Who? Who has bettered these albums? Who?
>>>>You can't, it's not possible-because THEY created the master formula by
>>>>which all pop music WE here on the list listen to.
>>>
>>>And that's just it.
>>>We're a slice of a slice of a slice of the entire music market. I'm sure
>>>there are listeners who'd put "Fear of a Black Planet," or "Legalize It,"
>>>on their all-time great lists way ahead of Pepper -- if it even made
>>>their lists at all.
>>>
>>>And I'm guessing John Lennon would barf if we knew we were trying to
>>>preserve him in amber like this.
>>>
>>>john micek.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: <tinyvolcano@wavecable.com>
>>>To: <audities@smoe.org>
>>>Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:03 PM
>>>Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>.... putting spoon away ..........
>>>>
>>>>Well said, and I could not agree more.
>>>>
>>>>Are we really going to place FOW and Supergrass -collectively or any
>>>>other ways in the same class as the Beatles? Or any other band for that
>>>>matter?
>>>>
>>>>C'mon, they are the friggin template for crying out loud. This list
>>>>would not exist had the Beatles not contributed.
>>>>IMO.?
>>>>OK, as far as main-stream pop goes for the 60's, you have Sgt,. Pepper &
>>>>Pet Sounds as the two "God -like" albums to propel popular music. Sure,
>>>>it can be said that many good things have come from many good and
>>>>"influenced bands" that we all love to hear, but the simple fact is
>>>>-these two records are the template, are the benchmark and they have not
>>>>been rivaled since.
>>>>Who? Who has bettered these albums? Who?
>>>>You can't, it's not possible-because THEY created the master formula by
>>>>which all pop music WE here on the list listen to.
>>>>
>>>>Donald Fagen said : the best thing to happen to music in the past 35
>>>>years is Reggae. His opinion, but his point well made.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:39:39 +0000
>>>> "Gene Good" <javagene@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>I may be in a minority here,but I believe "Sgt. Pepper" to be a mind
>>>>>blowing album.Packaging and especially music.Totally worked for me the
>>>>>day it came out and still does.And hearing it upon release may be the
>>>>>ticket .I can't really compare it to "Rubber Soul" or "Revolver".It
>>>>>stands alone as a masterpiece.A natural progression for the group.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: "Sager, Greg" <greg.sager@bankofamerica.com>
>>>>>>Reply-To: audities@smoe.org
>>>>>>To: audities@smoe.org
>>>>>>Subject: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal
>>>>>>blockage)
>>>>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:31:29 -0500
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's easy. *All Things Must Pass* is a much better album than *Sgt.
>>>>>>Pepper*. *ATMP* is loaded with songs -- "Wah Wah", "My Sweet Lord",
>>>>>>"What Is Life", "Art of Dying", "Awaiting On You All", etc. -- that
>>>>>>equal or surpass anything that appeared on *SPLHCB*, and there's more
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>'em. Part of the reason behind that is because, as John Micek and
>>>>>>countless other demythologists have pointed out in recent years,
>>>>>>*SPLHCB* is a thoroughly overrated album that's lacking in strong
>>>>>>songs.
>>>>>>The greatness of *Sgt. Pepper* lies in its groundbreaking graphic
>>>>>>presentation (cover art, printed lyrics), eclecticism, and sheer
>>>>>>ability
>>>>>>to transform the pop-culture zeitgeist rather than in the music itself
>>>>>>-- and the music should be the starting point and the end point of how
>>>>>>any album or song is judged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>*ATMP* has its share of filler, and the jam session that makes up the
>>>>>>last quarter or third of the album is a self-indulgent waste, but as a
>>>>>>collection of songs it easily outstrips *SPLHCB*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Greg Sager
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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