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| From | "John L. Micek" <jlmicek@comcast.net> |
| Subject | Re: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal |
| Date | Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:10:53 -0400 |
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but I know of no one who has created as a
> significant "new sound" since. Defeated attitude? No man, not at all. A
> simple question.
>
1977.
The first Clash record.
To me, that's the sound of a movement being created. And it was at least as
important as anything The Beatles ever did. To borrow a phrase, they ripped
it up and started again.
john.
----- Original Message -----
From: <tinyvolcano@wavecable.com>
To: <audities@smoe.org>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal
> No, no ....
>
> You misunderstand me. I would never say quit, otherwise I would have sold
> off my studio and stopped writing songs years ago. Let us all give up (for
> one minute)....that the Beatles are divine and no one could possibly do
> better. I was trying to point out that the many listeners of pop music who
> reside on the discussion group are lovers of pop...no?
>
> Ok, simple question here, aside from the magic of the time (1960's), the
> actual timing for the Beatles and the fact that the audience of the 60's
> was ready for something great ..... lets just look at the songs, the
> arsenal of excellent material and now lets look at any artist since who
> has forged their own template(way the Beatles did)to or rather-branched
> off to do something special and unique- AND has rivaled the Beatles in
> this way of excellent fresh material, so that the world universally
> recognizes as they might have the Beatles collective works.
>
> I was simply asking all to offer up those artists? How are they? Where are
> they? I have my favorites stored in 1000's of cd's....
>
> Peace
>
>
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:27:04 -0400
> "John L. Micek" <jlmicek@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Well, crap. If we can't do better than the almighty Beatles, we might as
>> well put away the guitars and just quit.
>> C'mon, man. What kind of defeatist attitude is that? Yeah, the Beatles
>> were good. But they're not sacred and inviolable. There are,
>> unbelievably, other bands I like better than them. I recognize their
>> overall historical importance, but in the same way I recognize the
>> Declaration of Independence as important -- as an historical starting
>> point that has, in fact, been improved upon with the passage of time.
>> That's what the first wave of British punk was all about -- ripping it up
>> and starting again. And I'd argue that we're in a similar period right
>> now with YouTube, Garageband and all the rest.
>> The next gen. is grabbing onto the kind of music they want to make, and
>> it doesn't have bubkes to do with Sgt. Pepper.
>> And you know what?
>> They do put Fountains of Wayne, or Fall Out Boy, or whomever on a higher
>> totem pole than The Beatles. Because as far as they're concerned, the
>> Beatles are ancient history -- something their Dad. Or, god forbid, their
>> Grandad listened to back in the day.
>> And that's the way it oughta be.
>> Was Pet Sounds an amazing record?
>> Yes.
>> Was it the template for everything that came after?
>> Not so much. Not too many contemporary pop records out there (outside of
>> our musical ghetto) that sound like Pet Sounds. And that's okay too.
>> After all, you said it yourself:
>>
>>>Who? Who has bettered these albums? Who?
>>> You can't, it's not possible-because THEY created the master formula by
>>> which all pop music WE here on the list listen to.
>>
>> And that's just it.
>> We're a slice of a slice of a slice of the entire music market. I'm sure
>> there are listeners who'd put "Fear of a Black Planet," or "Legalize It,"
>> on their all-time great lists way ahead of Pepper -- if it even made
>> their lists at all.
>>
>> And I'm guessing John Lennon would barf if we knew we were trying to
>> preserve him in amber like this.
>>
>> john micek.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <tinyvolcano@wavecable.com>
>> To: <audities@smoe.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal
>>
>>
>>>
>>> .... putting spoon away ..........
>>>
>>> Well said, and I could not agree more.
>>>
>>> Are we really going to place FOW and Supergrass -collectively or any
>>> other ways in the same class as the Beatles? Or any other band for that
>>> matter?
>>>
>>> C'mon, they are the friggin template for crying out loud. This list
>>> would not exist had the Beatles not contributed.
>>> IMO.?
>>> OK, as far as main-stream pop goes for the 60's, you have Sgt,. Pepper &
>>> Pet Sounds as the two "God -like" albums to propel popular music. Sure,
>>> it can be said that many good things have come from many good and
>>> "influenced bands" that we all love to hear, but the simple fact
>>> is -these two records are the template, are the benchmark and they have
>>> not been rivaled since.
>>> Who? Who has bettered these albums? Who?
>>> You can't, it's not possible-because THEY created the master formula by
>>> which all pop music WE here on the list listen to.
>>>
>>> Donald Fagen said : the best thing to happen to music in the past 35
>>> years is Reggae. His opinion, but his point well made.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:39:39 +0000
>>> "Gene Good" <javagene@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I may be in a minority here,but I believe "Sgt. Pepper" to be a mind
>>>> blowing album.Packaging and especially music.Totally worked for me the
>>>> day it came out and still does.And hearing it upon release may be the
>>>> ticket .I can't really compare it to "Rubber Soul" or "Revolver".It
>>>> stands alone as a masterpiece.A natural progression for the group.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "Sager, Greg" <greg.sager@bankofamerica.com>
>>>>>Reply-To: audities@smoe.org
>>>>>To: audities@smoe.org
>>>>>Subject: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal
>>>>>blockage)
>>>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:31:29 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That's easy. *All Things Must Pass* is a much better album than *Sgt.
>>>>>Pepper*. *ATMP* is loaded with songs -- "Wah Wah", "My Sweet Lord",
>>>>>"What Is Life", "Art of Dying", "Awaiting On You All", etc. -- that
>>>>>equal or surpass anything that appeared on *SPLHCB*, and there's more
>>>>>of
>>>>>'em. Part of the reason behind that is because, as John Micek and
>>>>>countless other demythologists have pointed out in recent years,
>>>>>*SPLHCB* is a thoroughly overrated album that's lacking in strong
>>>>>songs.
>>>>>The greatness of *Sgt. Pepper* lies in its groundbreaking graphic
>>>>>presentation (cover art, printed lyrics), eclecticism, and sheer
>>>>>ability
>>>>>to transform the pop-culture zeitgeist rather than in the music itself
>>>>>-- and the music should be the starting point and the end point of how
>>>>>any album or song is judged.
>>>>>
>>>>>*ATMP* has its share of filler, and the jam session that makes up the
>>>>>last quarter or third of the album is a self-indulgent waste, but as a
>>>>>collection of songs it easily outstrips *SPLHCB*.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Greg Sager
>>>>
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>>>
>>
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