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| Subject | Re: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal |
| Date | Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:27:56 -0700 |
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No, no ....
You misunderstand me. I would never say quit, otherwise I
would have sold off my studio and stopped writing songs
years ago. Let us all give up (for one minute)....that the
Beatles are divine and no one could possibly do better. I
was trying to point out that the many listeners of pop
music who reside on the discussion group are lovers of
pop...no?
Ok, simple question here, aside from the magic of the time
(1960's), the actual timing for the Beatles and the fact
that the audience of the 60's was ready for something
great ..... lets just look at the songs, the arsenal of
excellent material and now lets look at any artist since
who has forged their own template(way the Beatles did)to
or rather-branched off to do something special and unique-
AND has rivaled the Beatles in this way of excellent fresh
material, so that the world universally recognizes as they
might have the Beatles collective works.
I was simply asking all to offer up those artists? How are
they? Where are they? I have my favorites stored in 1000's
of cd's....but I know of no one who has created as a
significant "new sound" since. Defeated attitude? No man,
not at all. A simple question.
Peace
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:27:04 -0400
"John L. Micek" <jlmicek@comcast.net> wrote:
> Well, crap. If we can't do better than the almighty
>Beatles, we might as well put away the guitars and just
>quit.
> C'mon, man. What kind of defeatist attitude is that?
>Yeah, the Beatles were good. But they're not sacred and
>inviolable. There are, unbelievably, other bands I like
>better than them. I recognize their overall historical
>importance, but in the same way I recognize the
>Declaration of Independence as important -- as an
>historical starting point that has, in fact, been
>improved upon with the passage of time.
> That's what the first wave of British punk was all about
>-- ripping it up and starting again. And I'd argue that
>we're in a similar period right now with YouTube,
>Garageband and all the rest.
> The next gen. is grabbing onto the kind of music they
>want to make, and it doesn't have bubkes to do with Sgt.
>Pepper.
> And you know what?
> They do put Fountains of Wayne, or Fall Out Boy, or
>whomever on a higher totem pole than The Beatles.
>Because as far as they're concerned, the Beatles are
>ancient history -- something their Dad. Or, god forbid,
>their Grandad listened to back in the day.
> And that's the way it oughta be.
> Was Pet Sounds an amazing record?
> Yes.
> Was it the template for everything that came after?
> Not so much. Not too many contemporary pop records out
>there (outside of our musical ghetto) that sound like Pet
>Sounds. And that's okay too.
> After all, you said it yourself:
>
>>Who? Who has bettered these albums? Who?
>> You can't, it's not possible-because THEY created the
>>master formula by
>> which all pop music WE here on the list listen to.
>
> And that's just it.
> We're a slice of a slice of a slice of the entire music
>market. I'm sure there are listeners who'd put "Fear of a
>Black Planet," or "Legalize It," on their all-time great
>lists way ahead of Pepper -- if it even made their lists
>at all.
>
> And I'm guessing John Lennon would barf if we knew we
>were trying to preserve him in amber like this.
>
> john micek.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From:
><tinyvolcano@wavecable.com>
> To: <audities@smoe.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:03 PM
> Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll
>create intestinal
>
>
>>
>> .... putting spoon away ..........
>>
>> Well said, and I could not agree more.
>>
>> Are we really going to place FOW and Supergrass
>>-collectively or any other
>> ways in the same class as the Beatles? Or any other
>>band for that matter?
>>
>> C'mon, they are the friggin template for crying out
>>loud. This list would
>> not exist had the Beatles not contributed.
>> IMO.?
>> OK, as far as main-stream pop goes for the 60's, you
>>have Sgt,. Pepper &
>> Pet Sounds as the two "God -like" albums to propel
>>popular music. Sure, it
>> can be said that many good things have come from many
>>good and "influenced
>> bands" that we all love to hear, but the simple fact is
>>-these two records
>> are the template, are the benchmark and they have not
>>been rivaled since.
>> Who? Who has bettered these albums? Who?
>> You can't, it's not possible-because THEY created the
>>master formula by
>> which all pop music WE here on the list listen to.
>>
>> Donald Fagen said : the best thing to happen to music in
>>the past 35
>> years is Reggae. His opinion, but his point well made.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:39:39 +0000
>> "Gene Good" <javagene@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I may be in a minority here,but I believe "Sgt. Pepper"
>>>to be a mind
>>> blowing album.Packaging and especially music.Totally
>>>worked for me the
>>> day it came out and still does.And hearing it upon
>>>release may be the
>>> ticket .I can't really compare it to "Rubber Soul" or
>>>"Revolver".It
>>> stands alone as a masterpiece.A natural progression for
>>>the group.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Sager, Greg" <greg.sager@bankofamerica.com>
>>>>Reply-To: audities@smoe.org
>>>>To: audities@smoe.org
>>>>Subject: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create
>>>>intestinal blockage)
>>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:31:29 -0500
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's easy. *All Things Must Pass* is a much better
>>>>album than *Sgt.
>>>>Pepper*. *ATMP* is loaded with songs -- "Wah Wah", "My
>>>>Sweet Lord",
>>>>"What Is Life", "Art of Dying", "Awaiting On You All",
>>>>etc. -- that
>>>>equal or surpass anything that appeared on *SPLHCB*, and
>>>>there's more of
>>>>'em. Part of the reason behind that is because, as John
>>>>Micek and
>>>>countless other demythologists have pointed out in recent
>>>>years,
>>>>*SPLHCB* is a thoroughly overrated album that's lacking
>>>>in strong songs.
>>>>The greatness of *Sgt. Pepper* lies in its groundbreaking
>>>>graphic
>>>>presentation (cover art, printed lyrics), eclecticism,
>>>>and sheer ability
>>>>to transform the pop-culture zeitgeist rather than in the
>>>>music itself
>>>>-- and the music should be the starting point and the end
>>>>point of how
>>>>any album or song is judged.
>>>>
>>>>*ATMP* has its share of filler, and the jam session that
>>>>makes up the
>>>>last quarter or third of the album is a self-indulgent
>>>>waste, but as a
>>>>collection of songs it easily outstrips *SPLHCB*.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Greg Sager
>>>
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