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| From | "John L. Micek" <jlmicek@comcast.net> |
| Subject | Re: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal |
| Date | Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:27:04 -0400 |
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Well, crap. If we can't do better than the almighty Beatles, we might as
well put away the guitars and just quit.
C'mon, man. What kind of defeatist attitude is that? Yeah, the Beatles were
good. But they're not sacred and inviolable. There are, unbelievably, other
bands I like better than them. I recognize their overall historical
importance, but in the same way I recognize the Declaration of Independence
as important -- as an historical starting point that has, in fact, been
improved upon with the passage of time.
That's what the first wave of British punk was all about -- ripping it up
and starting again. And I'd argue that we're in a similar period right now
with YouTube, Garageband and all the rest.
The next gen. is grabbing onto the kind of music they want to make, and it
doesn't have bubkes to do with Sgt. Pepper.
And you know what?
They do put Fountains of Wayne, or Fall Out Boy, or whomever on a higher
totem pole than The Beatles. Because as far as they're concerned, the
Beatles are ancient history -- something their Dad. Or, god forbid, their
Grandad listened to back in the day.
And that's the way it oughta be.
Was Pet Sounds an amazing record?
Yes.
Was it the template for everything that came after?
Not so much. Not too many contemporary pop records out there (outside of our
musical ghetto) that sound like Pet Sounds. And that's okay too.
After all, you said it yourself:
>Who? Who has bettered these albums? Who?
> You can't, it's not possible-because THEY created the master formula by
> which all pop music WE here on the list listen to.
And that's just it.
We're a slice of a slice of a slice of the entire music market. I'm sure
there are listeners who'd put "Fear of a Black Planet," or "Legalize It," on
their all-time great lists way ahead of Pepper -- if it even made their
lists at all.
And I'm guessing John Lennon would barf if we knew we were trying to
preserve him in amber like this.
john micek.
----- Original Message -----
From: <tinyvolcano@wavecable.com>
To: <audities@smoe.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal
>
> .... putting spoon away ..........
>
> Well said, and I could not agree more.
>
> Are we really going to place FOW and Supergrass -collectively or any other
> ways in the same class as the Beatles? Or any other band for that matter?
>
> C'mon, they are the friggin template for crying out loud. This list would
> not exist had the Beatles not contributed.
> IMO.?
> OK, as far as main-stream pop goes for the 60's, you have Sgt,. Pepper &
> Pet Sounds as the two "God -like" albums to propel popular music. Sure, it
> can be said that many good things have come from many good and "influenced
> bands" that we all love to hear, but the simple fact is -these two records
> are the template, are the benchmark and they have not been rivaled since.
> Who? Who has bettered these albums? Who?
> You can't, it's not possible-because THEY created the master formula by
> which all pop music WE here on the list listen to.
>
> Donald Fagen said : the best thing to happen to music in the past 35
> years is Reggae. His opinion, but his point well made.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:39:39 +0000
> "Gene Good" <javagene@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I may be in a minority here,but I believe "Sgt. Pepper" to be a mind
>> blowing album.Packaging and especially music.Totally worked for me the
>> day it came out and still does.And hearing it upon release may be the
>> ticket .I can't really compare it to "Rubber Soul" or "Revolver".It
>> stands alone as a masterpiece.A natural progression for the group.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>>>From: "Sager, Greg" <greg.sager@bankofamerica.com>
>>>Reply-To: audities@smoe.org
>>>To: audities@smoe.org
>>>Subject: All Things Must Pass (or else they'll create intestinal
>>>blockage)
>>>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:31:29 -0500
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>That's easy. *All Things Must Pass* is a much better album than *Sgt.
>>>Pepper*. *ATMP* is loaded with songs -- "Wah Wah", "My Sweet Lord",
>>>"What Is Life", "Art of Dying", "Awaiting On You All", etc. -- that
>>>equal or surpass anything that appeared on *SPLHCB*, and there's more of
>>>'em. Part of the reason behind that is because, as John Micek and
>>>countless other demythologists have pointed out in recent years,
>>>*SPLHCB* is a thoroughly overrated album that's lacking in strong songs.
>>>The greatness of *Sgt. Pepper* lies in its groundbreaking graphic
>>>presentation (cover art, printed lyrics), eclecticism, and sheer ability
>>>to transform the pop-culture zeitgeist rather than in the music itself
>>>-- and the music should be the starting point and the end point of how
>>>any album or song is judged.
>>>
>>>*ATMP* has its share of filler, and the jam session that makes up the
>>>last quarter or third of the album is a self-indulgent waste, but as a
>>>collection of songs it easily outstrips *SPLHCB*.
>>>
>>>
>>>Greg Sager
>>
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