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| From | Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> |
| Subject | Re: What IS influence, anyway? |
| Date | Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:51:11 -0800 |
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Fascinating, especially that it was Gracenote that caught the fakery.
I happen to know how this works, as I was involved in the early days
of cddb (which later became Gracenote). It basically takes the digital
data from the first few seconds of the first track (IIRC) and then uses
that to index into the database and retrieve the track names and other
info. So if the digital data is identical, as in this case (apparently),
then there you have it :).
- Greg
Stewart Mason wrote:
> There's a link to a story about the confession at the top of this page,
> under Latest News:
>
> http://www.pristineclassical.com/HattoHoax.html
>
> I hadn't heard of any of this! Interesting story.
>
> S
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Bennett"
> <mrhonorama@hotmail.com>
> To: <audities@smoe.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 2:19 PM
> Subject: Re: What IS influence, anyway?
>
>
>> Stewart --
>>
>> Are you a Joyce Hatto fan? She was an undistinguished British piainst
>> who died last year, who was suddenly discovered. A slew of recordings
>> that seemed to establish her as a true talent. Guess what - it was a
>> hoax.
>>
>> It unraveled when someone put in a Hatto CD in his computer, and
>> iTunes indicated it was a different artist. The two discs were
>> compared -- and they were identical. Her husband admitted that he
>> committed the fraud so that his wife's life could end on a high note.
>>
>> This is post about the fraud -- I couldn't find a link to the wire
>> story on the admission:
>>
>> http://www.stephenpollard.net/003148.html
>>
>> Mike Bennett
>>
>>
>>
>> Blog: http://blog.myspace.com/mrhonorama
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>>
>>> From: "Stewart Mason" <craigtorso@verizon.net>
>>> Reply-To: audities@smoe.org
>>> To: <audities@smoe.org>
>>> Subject: Re: What IS influence, anyway?
>>> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:02:12 -0500
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Smith" <sam@lullabypit.com>
>>>> So I guess I wonder - there being a good number of musicians here, and
>>>> plenty more informed listeners - is there a standard that says if I
>>>> can't
>>>> hear it, it's not really an influence? Or can influences be more or
>>>> less
>>>> invisible to the listener of the finished product?
>>>
>>> I think so, or at least so buried that you don't recognize them until
>>> the artist says they're there. I'm sure I've used this example here
>>> before, but I once read an interview with Brian Eno where he said
>>> that when he was in school, he was addicted to his parents' Ray
>>> Conniff albums, particularly the wordless vocal choruses. I wouldn't
>>> have made that connection on my own (fan though I am of Conniff
>>> myself), but remembering that quote in the context of hearing, say,
>>> "Taking Tiger Mountain" or "On Some Faraway Beach," I just think,
>>> "Well, yes, of course."
>>>
>>> What bugs me is when I can hear nothing BUT the artist's influences,
>>> especially when it seems like an artist is influenced solely by a
>>> certain set of stylistically similar bands. I don't mind when you
>>> can baldly hear an artist's influences IF he's combining several
>>> different styles into one whole (the High Llamas' blend of Brian
>>> Wilson, Steely Dan, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Ennio Morricone and Mouse
>>> On Mars, for example), but when you can listen to an album and hear
>>> that the songwriter's influences stretch all the way from the Beatles
>>> to Badfinger, with a short detour into ELO, I'm just not interested.
>>>
>>> S
>>>
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