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From | "Matt Whitby" <matt.whitby@gmail.com> |
Subject | Re: Lily Allen |
Date | Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:24:39 +0000 |
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I await the next mash-up... "Bring Stacey's mom to the slaugher"
On 17/02/07, Stewart Mason <craigtorso@verizon.net> wrote:
> Settle down, Sparky. I just thought your original statement about
> "Motown and disco records" was hilariously clueless. I'm not going to
> pretend that I recognized the bits of old Jackie Mittoo and Duke Reid
> records that are listed in the songwriting credits -- I doubt even
> Gabe Fuentes would recognize them on first listen -- but I'm sure as
> heck not very likely to confuse ska with disco as a genre!
>
> Furthermore, based on Allen's live performances on SNL and Conan in
> the last couple weeks, I must say that drum machines must have made
> tremendous strides in technology recently, given that the "drum
> machine" behind her band looked just *exactly* like a big sweaty guy
> playing the drums. Come to think of it, her band also includes a full
> horn section, guitarist, bassist and keyboard player...which seems
> like an awful lot of extra guys to have on the payroll if her music is
> entirely created out of samples, doesn't it? (And seriously, if
> you're not hearing hooks in the choruses of songs like "LDN" and
> "Smile," then we have hugely divergent ideas of what constitutes a
> hook.)
>
> So...yes, you're right, you are one hundred percent entitled to your
> opinion. And I'm entitled to my opinion, which is that it sounds to
> me like you decided that Lily Allen's music was crap before you heard
> a note of it, given how erroneous your original description of it was.
> Nobody's asking you to like her music, although I'm pleased to see how
> many other Auditeers have already chimed in positively about the joys
> of this album.
>
> It's just that your description gave the impression of someone so
> fundamentally disinclined towards this entire style of music that you
> didn't even *hear* the music before your mind was made up about how
> awful it was. It's pretty much exactly like if someone came on here
> and started talking about how they hated Fountains of Wayne because
> their entire sound was ripped off from old Black Sabbath and Iron
> Butterfly records.
>
> S
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Farrar Hudkins" <fhudkins@gmail.com>
> To: <audities@smoe.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Lily Allen
>
>
> > As I said before, I merely stated my opinion and forgot to label it
> > as
> > such. That's the whole point of this e-mail; if you have extra time
> > on
> > your hands, read on -- otherwise hit the 'delete' key and you're
> > done.
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Well ... I'm sorry, S, but I don't know who you are, so I don't know
> > if you were being sarcastic or not. I'll reply to the list in case
> > anyone believed you and thought that I was being petty and saying
> > that
> > I didn't like something because it is popular. I dunno what 'indie
> > cred' is, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that a total stranger
> > would ascribe petty motives to a statement of opinion on my part,
> > considering that I forgot to say that 'it's only my opinion.'
> >
> > First, I had never heard of Allen until this afternoon when they had
> > her on ATC. They introduced her as having a massive following in
> > England and having millions of hits on her MySpace page every day.
> > That wasn't the reason I was turned off by the tunes they played,
> > though. The reason I don't like her voice is, simply, I don't like
> > her
> > voice. There are a lot of voices I don't like, including some really
> > popular ones. She doesn't fit my *personal* definition of 'insanely
> > great pop.' The reason I don't like her using samples and drum
> > machines is, really, I don't like samples and drum machines. I
> > didn't
> > like it when Digital Underground sampled Parliament, and I don't
> > like
> > it when Fifty Cent samples the Jackson Five. It sounds to me like
> > someone got lazy. That's my opinion.
> >
> > Second, I may be a bit biased since I work at an NPR affiliate
> > station, for which I apologise in advance -- but the reason I think
> > NPR should stay out of the mainstream is because I am given to
> > believe
> > it came about in the early 1970s to offer an *alternative* to the
> > mainstream. I may have been misinformed; regardless, it's my opinion
> > -- nothing more or less.
> >
> > Briefly: Something can be great music to eight billion people around
> > the world, and there's no guarantee that I'll like it. Peer pressure
> > doesn't work on me. Some things that are popular (e.g. 'The
> > Simpsons')
> > I like; some things that are popular (e.g. 'Scrubs') I don't. That
> > doesn't make me petty -- it just makes me strange. :-)
> >
> > I guess I should issue an apology to the list: I was unaware that
> > saying I didn't like something was 'bashing.' Sorry about that,
> > guys.
> > I'll only pipe up for bands I like from now on.
> >
> > I hope I don't ruffle any (more) feathers. Good night.
> >
> > Farrar Hudkins
> > (c)1979-2007
> >
> >
> > On 2/16/07, Stewart Mason <craigtorso@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Farrar Hudkins" <fhudkins@gmail.com>
> >> > And today I heard one of the most useless -- an interview with a
> >> > British singer who spontaneously composes her half-spoken songs
> >> > in
> >> > the studio. Hm, I guess that's why she has yet to come up with a
> >> > hook, and why her 'music' is ripped from Motown and disco records
> >> > and an old TR-81 drum machine. And also why it is crap.
> >>
> >> Except that it, erm, isn't. Lily Allen's ALRIGHT STILL is probably
> >> the best album I've heard so far in 2007, and her first single
> >> "Smile"
> >> was one of the top singles of last year by a mile.
> >>
> >> So sad to see reflexive bashing of talented singers just because
> >> they're not someone's little pocket secret no one else knows about.
> >> Not for the singers, mind, but for the listeners. It must be
> >> tiring
> >> to survive solely on indie cred.
> >>
> >> S
> >>
> >>
>
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