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| From | "Michael Bennett" <mrhonorama@hotmail.com> |
| Subject | Re: pak |
| Date | Mon, 29 Jan 2007 07:32:07 -0600 |
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Y'know, you noted near the end of your first response to Paula's first post
with "stop being so thin-skinned." This was in response to a post that made
a general observation that it basically sucks that women tend to judged more
on their looks in the music world then men do. While to me, this is a
fairly obvious point, apparently a lot of people took this as a personal
affront and piled on to Paula. A lot of these posts were simple expressions
of disagreement. However, a lot of these folks took it personally -- 'hey,
I don't judge female artists by their looks'.
What really escalated this thread was this whole 'stop being so
thin-skinned' thing. Respond to her point, disagree, explain why -- that's
all good and fine. But there was nothing in her original post that was way
out of line -- she just expressed her opinion, and you went beyond
disagreeing, but, by telling her to stop being so thin skinned (and,
advising her that "it's a big bad world out there" -- such wisdom!), you're
response came off as personally demeaning.
I think that Paula only got defensive when it was conveyed to her that her
point of view wasn't even worth expressing, and that, effectively, she
should just shut up. Regardless, I think the reactions of Auditeers were
immature and revealed more about the attitude of men towards women than
Paula's initial post did.
Mike Bennett
Blog: http://blog.myspace.com/mrhonorama
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>From: rob@splitsville.com
>Reply-To: audities@smoe.org
>To: audities@smoe.org
>Subject: RE: pak
>Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 06:00:43 -0500
>
>No, the problem is that when someone states an opinion that you either
>disagree with, or you don't see it from their point of view, you're then
>automatically branded some kind of '-ist'.
>Obviously, because I and one or two others didn't really like the librarian
>look, we're sexist.
>
>I never liked some of Prince's looks, or his over the top ego, but does
>that make me racist?
>Regardless of how idiotic he acts sometimes, it doesn't change my opinion
>of him, that he's ridiculously talented and one of the greatest musicians
>ever.
>
>I'm saddened by the fact that Aretha Franklin has let herself get morbidy
>obese and looks like she's going to drop dead of cardiac arrest at any
>moment or lose body parts to something like diabetes. Am I now racist? And
>sexist? And uhhh...weight-ist?
>I still think her voice is the equivalent of an American monument that
>should be placed on the Washington Mall.
>
>In the early 80's I absolutely HATED Pete Townshend's 'new Romantic'
>haircuts and drug fueled behavior. And his pony tail on the 1989 Tommy tour
>made him look absolutely daft.
>Am I now an Anglophobe?
>I'd still crawl through mud to touch the cuff of his pants, lousy haircut
>or not. He's still me absolute effing hero.
>
>Paula came out painting with a very wide brush, which I thought was a bit
>severe.
>If you check out her site, one of her causes is 'Women in Rock', which is
>great, more power to you, and it's admirable when people find a passion
>within themselves and act on it.
>
>But don't act as if people are troglodytes if they don't agree with you or
>see things from your point of view.
>(As two a couple of the vitrolic posts- yes, they were foolish, unnecessary
>and not constructive. C'mon Lads, you can do better.) If you come out with
>an axe to grind and looking for an argument, you'll usually get it.
>
>Rob
>NP: Motley Crue, 'Girls, Girls, Girls' (joke)
>
> >----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
> >From: troubledoll@mindspring.com
> >To: audities@smoe.org
> >Sent: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 -0500 (GMT-05:00) 19:56:50
> >
> >so, this woman who actually MAKES insanely great
> >pop starts posting to a list for insanenly great
> >pop, and all anyone can do is bicker with her about
> >her not exactly startling observation that men like
> >to ogle female artists and sometimes make them
> >uncomfortable in doing so? why not accept the fact
> >that she's a woman who's actually experienced this,
> >and take her just a little bit seriously? and maybe
> >start talking about music with her?
> >
> >for the record, my band has played with paula's,
> >and we all think she's the bees knees. she IS
> >beautiful, for what it's worth, but what matters is
> >she knows how to carry herself, and she's a great
> >performer because of THAT. not to mention that she
> >writes great songs (which sometimes evoke
> >bacharach/david) and she sings and plays them damn
> >well.
> >
> >matty
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