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| Date | Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:20:53 -0500 |
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>When did I say it was a value judgment? It's just
>annoying to be compared
>to someone based on one fashion accesory...
How others regard you and to whom they compare you is your gig, not mine. I was refering to what I wrote, my observations, not your life experiences.
>and I
>will stand by my belief
>that women musicians get "looks" comparisons far
>more than men do. If you
>don't think this is true...well, you're just wrong.
Never said I don't think this is true. If you extrapolated that, well...then you're just wrong.
>In any case, I take umbrage to being called
>"thin-skinned" for merely
>stating my opinion.
True, but like many today, you sound like you were looking to be insulted. Merely stating my opinion.
>I'll opt to overlook your condescending tone here
Appreciate that
>and just say that it's
>NOT trivial that these thing depress me as this is
>what I do for my life.
>Sure, there are murders and wars and no end of big
>bad things in the big
>bad world. Doesn't mean things in my subjective
>world shouldn't have an
>effect on me. It's what I know, its' what I live.
Fair enough, PK
>----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
>From: :audities@smoe.org
>To: audities@smoe.org
>Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 -0800 (PST) 14:04:58
>
>
>
>On Wed, January 24, 2007 12:52 pm,
>rob@splitsville.com wrote:
>>>First off-
>>>To whomever said they didn't like Kay Hanley's
>>>"geeky glasses" and
>>>wondered whether she was trying to look like Lisa
>
>>>Loeb
>>
>> Yep, that was me. If she was a guy and wearing
>granny specs I'd wonder if
>> (s)he was looking like an unhip John Lennon. Real
>dark glasses? I would
>> have mentioned Roy Orbison.
>> It's a fashion comparison, not a value judgement.
>Nor was music compared
>> at any time. No one was putting down female
>musicians or women in general.
>
>When did I say it was a value judgment? It's just
>annoying to be compared
>to someone based on one fashion accesory...and I
>will stand by my belief
>that women musicians get "looks" comparisons far
>more than men do. If you
>don't think this is true...well, you're just wrong.
>
>>
>> I have the feeling, however, that if I was making
>value judgments about
>> "hot babes" and other well known music tarts we
>would have heard a peep
>> out of you.
>> Stop being so thin-skinned.
>>
>
>I'm not sure I understand the above statement. Did
>you mean to say you
>"wouldn't have heard a peep out of me?"
>In any case, I take umbrage to being called
>"thin-skinned" for merely
>stating my opinion.
>
>>>This just depresses me.
>> Yikes- it's a big, bad world out there, and
>you're in for a long haul.
>> There are lots of really depressing things out
>there.
>
>I'll opt to overlook your condescending tone here
>and just say that it's
>NOT trivial that these thing depress me as this is
>what I do for my life.
>Sure, there are murders and wars and no end of big
>bad things in the big
>bad world. Doesn't mean things in my subjective
>world shouldn't have an
>effect on me. It's what I know, its' what I live.
>
>PK
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>----- ------- Original Message ------- -----
>>>From: :audities@smoe.org
>>>To: audities@smoe.org
>>>Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 -0800 (PST) 11:38:20
>>>
>>>I take exception to this thread.
>>>
>>>First off-
>>>To whomever said they didn't like Kay Hanley's
>>>"geeky glasses" and
>>>wondered whether she was trying to look like Lisa
>
>>>Loeb:
>>>
>>>Being a female musician who also happens to wear
>>>glases, I can't tell you
>>>how many times I've gotten the Loeb comparison
>>>simply based on my
>>>spectacles. Our music is nothing alike. I'm also
>a
>>>friend of Kay's. Both
>>>she and I wear glasses because we need corrective
>
>>>lenses, not because we
>>>want to look like another person who wears
>glasses.
>>>
>>>
>>>And to the person who says he only buys Lia
>Loeb's
>>>records to look at her,
>>>not because he likes the music:
>>>
>>>This just depresses me. I take great pride in the
>
>>>music I make, and to
>>>have either a) someone not buy my records because
>
>>>I'm not hot enough, or
>>>b) have someone only buy my records solely
>because
>>>they think I'm hot, not
>>>because they like what I do, would be
>increcdibly
>>>demeaning.
>>>
>>>This just proves that, still, women are not
>always
>>>taken seriously as
>>>musicians. Looks are still such an important
>>>factor, and it's really
>>>unfortunate. I wonder how many people heard "A
>Girl
>>>Called Eddy"'s album
>>>last year. Or Sam Philips'. These women don't
>>>market their looks. THey
>>>don't need to, they're both incredibly talented.
>>>The catch 22- perhaps
>>>because they chose not to market themselves as
>"hot
>>>babes" they're not as
>>>commercially succesful as they should be.
>>>
>>>I'm not Lisa Loeb...perhaps she is fine with
>>>this...but I just couldn't
>>>keep my "mouth" shut about it.
>>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>>
>>>Paula A. Kelley
>>
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