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| From | "Michael Coxe" <audities@gmail.com> |
| Subject | Re: Elliot Smith tribute |
| Date | Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:05:32 -0700 |
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On 4/9/06, Ken Kase <kenkase@nighttimes.com> wrote:
> On 4/8/06 7:57 PM, "Michael Coxe" <audities@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Third Stream... Keith Jarrett, ECM and Bill Evans - aboslute rubbish.
> > Now I have my warning label: Third Stream - stay away. Thanks Stewart.
> >
> > - michael
>
> Gee, Michael--you have just completely mischaracterized third stream. Not
> one of your targets was correct. Third stream originally referred to jazz
> composers like Charles Mingus and even Claude Bolling who fused classical
> elements into their compositions. Keith Jarrett and Bill Evans are two of
> the most influential pianists of the 20th century and the music of ECM
> Records covers a wide variety of styles spanning nearly forty years.
>
> If you're going to tell people what to think, it would be nice if you knew
> what you were talking about.
>
> --Ken
You're absolutely right. Only a fool would take my advice. And have no zero
interest telling anyone what to think. But I have listened to enough
jazz to feel
comfortable yapping about likes & dislikes. Also, the warning label comment
was a note to myself.
I Didn't know Third Stream was associated with Charlie Mingus. Love his big
band output, plus he trained more working musicians than just about anyone.
I had never heard the term until Stewart's post and from quick reads on net saw
referrences to a kind of jazz I detest, which I would characterize as ECM
jazz (per the label). For me the rhythmic heart has been ripped out & replaced
intellectual doodlings. I don't question the skill & talent, but
dislike the output.
Jazz & Classical have been associated since Jelly Roll Morton (like most Creole
musicians formally trained and could read & write music - his compositions are
quite exacting & detailed), and from what I read Third Stream is targeted at
a specific school or genre. But obviously a snap judgement.
Give me jazz acknowledging its New Orleans & Kansas City roots, and what
came out of Philadelphia in the 60's (Archie Shepp & cohorts for example).
My musical heritage is Southern R&B & Rockabilly which forever taints my
interests.
- michael
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