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| Date | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:20:58 -0500 |
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with regard to the following quote ("I'd like to take this opportunity to
bring up something that hasn't been
mentioned: Paul McCartney continues to be one of the best bassists in all of
rock and roll. His compositional chops may have become spotty, but the cat
can still play some MFing bass"), McCartney is my second favorite bassist
ever. Go Bruce Thomas! Any Bruce supporters in the house?
Ed Masley
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Subject: audities-digest V3 #59 (10 msgs)
The Audities Digest: for the discussion of insanely great pop
Volume 3 : Issue 59 : "text" Format
Messages in this Issue:
Re: Paul McCartney [Michael Bennett <mrhonorama@ameritech.net>]
Re: Paul McCartney ["Sager, Greg" <greg.sager@bankofamerica.com>]
Wings At The Speed Of Paul ["Jaimie Vernon" <bullseyecanada@hotmail.com>]
Enough McCartney....? ["Miguel Motta" <a2j@bellsouth.net>]
Re: Enough McCartney....? [Ken Kase <kenkase@nighttimes.com>]
Re: Enough McCartney....? ["Josh Chasin" <jchasin@nyc.rr.com>]
Re: Enough McCartney....? ["Jaimie Vernon" <bullseyecanada@hotmail.com>]
Top 20 poll progress [Michael Bennett <mrhonorama@ameritech.net>]
McCartneys Die in Hot Cars [bob_hutton@standardlife.com]
Re: McCartneys Die in Hot Cars ["Miguel Motta" <a2j@bellsouth.net>]
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:08:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Bennett <mrhonorama@ameritech.net>
To: audities@smoe.org
Subject: Re: Paul McCartney
Message-ID: <20050120220835.87836.qmail@web81402.mail.yahoo.com>
Bill, your point is well taken regarding the thrust of
Lefsetz's piece, though I would say that even taking
that into account, I didn't find that he conveyed it
that effectively -- that is, I got the emotions he was
trying to convey, but found that his incoherent manner
made it annoying to read.
Bottom line -- Bob has passed on a number of Lefsetz
pieces, and the writing is just a turn off for me --
the viewpoints, whether I agree or disagree, are worth
disseminating.
Mike Bennett
NP: The Bees -- FREE THE BEES
--- Bill <billm45s@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > From: Michael Bennett <mrhonorama@ameritech.net>
> > Date: 2005/01/20 Thu PM 04:20:58 GMT
> > To: audities@smoe.org
> > Subject: Re: Paul McCartney
> >
> > This piece might be more meaningful if Mr. Lefsetz
> > knew how to write. This could be edited down to
> about
> > a paragraph or two, and make the same points much
> more
> > effectively.
> >
>
> Michael, as one attorney to another (who are cursed
> to read a certain type of writing), you are of
> course correct - it could have been edited to a
> couple of simple bullet points. But, that wasn't
> the whole point. Such editing might make the
> rational arguement easier to digest. However, the
> rational arguement is secondary to the emotive and I
> think he makes that arguement quite well, as he trys
> to portray the emotional reaction within a context
> of the time. Sure it is scattered and never quite
> direct, but as someone who was around at the time,
> it had the ring of truth and I was glad Bob posted
> it.
>
> "Band on the Run" was the post Beatles statement.
> And at the time you said damn McCartney really did
> it, which was a suprise because Lefsetz was right,
> his prior solo albums were "slight". The sad part
> is that "Band on the Run" proved he could do it, but
> overall despite all the subsequent great tracks and
> even enjoyable albums, he went backwards towards
> "slight". Lefsetz's writing, to me, captured that
> sense better than the straight rational arguement.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:52:47 -0600
From: "Sager, Greg" <greg.sager@bankofamerica.com>
To: "'audities@smoe.org'" <audities@smoe.org>
Subject: Re: Paul McCartney
Message-ID:
<E3A8A8F741B2D611ACA800508B6F33D4188142@chitmd03.nt.il.nbgfn.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:08:00 +0000
From: Bill <billm45s@verizon.net>
To: <audities@smoe.org>
Subject: Re: Paul McCartney
Message-ID:
<20050120210800.IGHJ1106.out003.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net>
Michael, as one attorney to another (who are cursed to read a certain type
of writing), you are of course correct - it could have been edited to a
couple of simple bullet points. But, that wasn't the whole point. Such
editing might make the rational arguement easier to digest. However, the
rational arguement is secondary to the emotive and I think he makes that
arguement quite well, as he trys to portray the emotional reaction within a
context of the time. Sure it is scattered and never quite direct, but as
someone who was around at the time, it had the ring of truth and I was glad
Bob posted it.
"Band on the Run" was the post Beatles statement. And at the time you said
damn McCartney really did it, which was a suprise because Lefsetz was right,
his prior solo albums were "slight". The sad part is that "Band on the Run"
proved he could do it, but overall despite all the subsequent great tracks
and even enjoyable albums, he went backwards towards "slight". Lefsetz's
writing, to me, captured that sense better than the straight rational
arguement.
Pffft. Mike Bennett was right. Lefsetz's piece was tedious and poorly
written. A good editor would've red-penned about 70% of it, and ABOVE all
else would've MADE him STOP that IDIOTIC habit of CAPITALIZING words that
MADE me feel as though he was Mussolini RANTING at the CROWD from the
BALCONY.
There's nothing wrong with a speech in which the rational argument is
secondary to the emotive. But there's a difference between "emotive" and
"bludgeoning".
Gregory Sager
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:45:21 -0500
From: "Jaimie Vernon" <bullseyecanada@hotmail.com>
To: audities@smoe.org
Subject: Wings At The Speed Of Paul
Message-ID: <BAY2-F20C20AEE1C3FDE5E0DE0D6DA810@phx.gbl>
AT Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:50:49 Stewart wrote:
>I've always thought "San Ferry Anne" was a highly underrated tune, along
>the lines of the equally underappreciated "Single Pigeon."
Pull "Silly Love Songs", "Let 'Em In" and "Cook Of The House" (WTF?) and
you've got a *REAL* WINGS album....McCartney's only decent contribution on
there was the bitchin' rocker "Beware My Love".
Jaimie Vernon,
President, Bullseye Records
"Not Suing Our Customers Since 1985!!"
http://www.bullseyecanada.com
Author, Canadian Pop Music Encyclopedia
http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Pop_Encyclopedia/
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:40:16 -0500
From: "Miguel Motta" <a2j@bellsouth.net>
To: <audities@smoe.org>
Subject: Enough McCartney....?
Message-ID: <000d01c4ff49$651d6fe0$6401a8c0@mickey9iv6t2fx>
...The fact that the McCartney topic not only has survived various days
without letting up and not only that but has branched out into different
directions is proof positive that, like his music or lump it, he is still a
musical force to contend with... hard pressed (to play) to find other
artists that can elicit this type of non-stop commentary even if we flog a
few dead horses in the process... The enduring power of The Beatles,
collective and individual, will create discussions for centuries to the
contentment or dismay of many...
Cheers,
Miguel
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:05:56 -0600
From: Ken Kase <kenkase@nighttimes.com>
To: <audities@smoe.org>
Subject: Re: Enough McCartney....?
Message-ID: <BE15BFA4.173E%kenkase@nighttimes.com>
-- Ken Kase
Editor
www.nighttimes.com / Night Times, LLC
On 1/20/05 5:40 PM, "Miguel Motta" <a2j@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ...The fact that the McCartney topic not only has survived various days
> without letting up and not only that but has branched out into different
> directions is proof positive that, like his music or lump it, he is still
a
> musical force to contend with... hard pressed (to play) to find other
artists
> that can elicit this type of non-stop commentary even if we flog a few
dead
> horses in the process... The enduring power of The Beatles, collective and
> individual, will create discussions for centuries to the contentment or
dismay
> of many...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Miguel
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:59:54 -0500
From: "Josh Chasin" <jchasin@nyc.rr.com>
To: <audities@smoe.org>
Subject: Re: Enough McCartney....?
Message-ID: <021d01c4ff76$0cd6bd00$6401a8c0@WarpSpeed>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Kase" <kenkase@nighttimes.com>
> I'd like to take this opportunity to bring up something that hasn't been
> mentioned: Paul McCartney continues to be one of the best bassists in all
> of
> rock and roll. His compositional chops may have become spotty, but the cat
> can still play some MFing bass.
Excellent point. Lennon used to say that this was one of the secret weapons
of Paul's records. And it was why I thought "Figure of Eight" was such an
inspired choice to open the 89/90 tour, his first in a while; the song has a
very prominent bass line, and it was like coming out on the very first
number and dispelling any question whatsoever about his musical chops,
almost like a throwdown.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:05:49 -0500
From: "Jaimie Vernon" <bullseyecanada@hotmail.com>
To: audities@smoe.org
Subject: Re: Enough McCartney....?
Message-ID: <BAY2-F11320732D5EF4F13CBDF7BDA820@phx.gbl>
At Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:59:54 Josh wrote:
His compositional chops may have become spotty, but the cat
>>can still play some MFing bass.
>
>Excellent point. Lennon used to say that this was one of the secret
>weapons of Paul's records. And it was why I thought "Figure of Eight" was
>such an inspired choice to open the 89/90 tour, his first in a while; the
>song has a very prominent bass line, and it was like coming out on the very
>first number and dispelling any question whatsoever about his musical
>chops, almost like a throwdown.
If indeed he is a bass God (and I his obedient disciple) why did he hand the
lines in "Silly Love Songs" over the bassist from Toto on the 'Give My
Regards To Broadstreet' soundtrack? It's always baffled me.
Jaimie Vernon,
President, Bullseye Records
"Not Suing Our Customers Since 1985!!"
http://www.bullseyecanada.com
Author, Canadian Pop Music Encyclopedia
http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Pop_Encyclopedia/
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:29:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Bennett <mrhonorama@ameritech.net>
To: Audities <audities@smoe.org>
Subject: Top 20 poll progress
Message-ID: <20050121042951.23575.qmail@web81408.mail.yahoo.com>
Hey everyone --
The initial tabulations have been completed. Next up
is the double checking, then the totalling, then the
ranking. The results will be up over the weekend. I
need some sleep...
Mike Bennett
NP: Kaleidoscope -- Complete Epic Recordings
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:19:46 +0000
From: bob_hutton@standardlife.com
To: audities@smoe.org
Subject: McCartneys Die in Hot Cars
Message-ID:
<OFC4952B65.72733F85-ON80256F90.002CD2E5-80256F90.002DD3A5@standardlife.com>
Marty, I know how to use the delete key, I just don't want to have to
delete every digest that hits my mailbox!
Bob S - Haha, very good - but this thread has really milked the
McCartney teat bone dry, no?
Miguel's - "the enduring power of the Beatles" - what was it that John
Lennon said? Something like "We were just a rock and roll band, that's
all".
Now will y'all please just let it be! D'Oh!
I've just realised on listening to Dogs Die in Hot Cars album a lot over
the last few days that, had I bought it sooner, there's a good chance it
would be up there rivalling Franz Ferdinand for the no. 1 spot in my top
20, that's how groovy it is (IMHO). And yes it's got XTC smeared all over
it.
Bob
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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:49:24 -0500
From: "Miguel Motta" <a2j@bellsouth.net>
To: <audities@smoe.org>
Subject: Re: McCartneys Die in Hot Cars
Message-ID: <001201c4ffaf$40b1a480$6401a8c0@mickey9iv6t2fx>
Miguel's - "the enduring power of the Beatles" - what was it that John
Lennon said? Something like "We were just a rock and roll band, that's
all".
Lennon was, IMO, being humble about all the hoopla... A well known fact
about Lennon is that he hated headsets in the recording studio as he
couldn't stand to hear himself... Does that make him less of one of rock n'
roll's greatest vocalists?... One's own opinion of oneself doesn't diminish
greatness if it is present... Lennon's humbleness by saying "We're just a
rock and roll band, that's all" makes him, and therefore The Beatles and
their subsequent post-Beatle efforts, IMO, even greater and worthy of
continuous posts such as the one we're having currently... Don't worry, the
posts will fade away eventually as other worthy (and not so) emerge... but
get ready to see them resurface at any given time...
Cheers,
Miguel
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