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| From | "Jaimie Vernon" <bullseyecanada@hotmail.com> |
| Subject | Re: Truly Vermin |
| Date | Fri, 10 Dec 2004 01:28:20 -0500 |
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At Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 20:41:29 Bryan wrote:
>Jaimie writes:
> > I figure I've got nothing else to lose here as people continually
> > jump to mass hysterical conclusions and over-reactions
> > when someone speaks their mind on this list (off topic or not)
>
>I remember that when Elliott Smith died, you (Jaimie) said some
>really (IMO) horrible and hateful things on this list about his
>death itself (whether it was by suicide or his girlfriend killed him)...
>and added even more comments about how you felt about
>Smith's fans, of which I am one... (I think Stewart happily chimed
>in with comments of his own to bring down the mood even further)...
To clarify...I said that:
1) Elliot Smith was a loser for taking the coward's way out.
2) That fans of this man should not be making him into some kind of martyr.
3) If it turns out his girlfriend killed him after all I owe a big apology
to the fans (a post I made after the coroner released his findings as
inconclusive to confirm a suicide).
>I don't know why you feel you have to make a comment that's
>particular hateful when someone dies, or is killed......maybe
>there's something about a person dying (someone you might not
>give a crap about, or maybe you just hate their music) and people
>showing some kind of compassion or caring about it that brings
>out a really ugly streak in your personality...and maybe you get
>off by saying things which are somewhat callous and inappropriate
>on this list...You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but hey,
>here's a thought...why not keep it to yourself? ...
Again....my comments in the former issue and the current issue were based on
1) my non-tolerance of suicide as a means to resolve one's personal demons
2) my non-tolerance of a society who thinks allowing the use of firearms in
the hands of the great unwashed (and morons in general) is no way to run a
civilized or democratic society.
I made these comments in the context of two examples that were music
related. The politics got ugly because people didn't like what I had to say
in the narrowness of the conversation....and not at what I was saying about
the BIG picture...which had nothing to do with music at all....or the
individuals in the examples.
>Or maybe you craze this kind of attention and really don't care what people
>think about you....
I can think of better ways of getting attention.
>maybe you like it that some people think you're an asshole...I don't know.
That would be YOU who thinks I'm asshole, right? Just clarifying.
>I'm just the opposite, I guess. I'd rather contribute to this list by
>talking about bands I like, and about music that warms my heart
>and makes me want to share it with others...but that's just me
>(and David Bash seems to be that way, as do a lot of other folks
>on this Audities list, and we all seem to get along fine).
And to that I salute all of you....that's what this list was designed for, I
believe.
>I don't know why you (Jaimie), in particular, and some of the other
>cranks on this list (you know who you are) feel it's appropriate to
>always make some kind of shitty remark knowing that it might
>upset people. Do you all really care so little for anyone else's
>opinion? Maybe it has something to do with your personality?
This is only one of THREE lists I frequent because the ratio of intelligent
conversation and great recommendations is the highest I've found around.
But, forgive me if some of us "cranks" don't want to just blindly take
people's word for it when you say that something is great or wonderful. I
want to hear it for myself. Recommendations are a start, but more times than
not I've been truly disappointed....not as much as Segarini sometimes, but
he has another 20 years of music as his personal reference point over me and
he's looking for those little goose-bumps to give him hope that all of pop
musicdom has not gone to hell in a handbasket.
I'm a little more forgiving with my tolerance of generic, cookie cutter
power pop -- I like some of mine derivative. Other times I want something
totally new. I hold out hope that I'll find it here. That's why I stay. But,
to reign in all the emotion that goes along with the societal and political
agendas surrounding this music....and the business many of us are in on this
list would be quite myopic and pointless. Descenting views, whether they're
from me or anyone else on this list shows that we're not all built alike and
that this scene isn't the peace, love and granola mantra of a bunch of power
pop children of The Damned.
>I don't know...I've never met you, and really don't care to, to be honest.
>Uh, hope it's okay if I >"spoke my mind" onlist rather than send you a
>personal email that you'd just ignore anyway...
I was being facetious.....I actually responded to everyone who wrote me
off-list today. And surprisingly found a lot of support. Again, restoring my
faith in Popkind.
>Now, maybe we can get back to talkin' about music, rather than sniping at
>each other?
I'm diggin the new Tears For Fears....
Jaimie Vernon,
Bullseye
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