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From "Eytan Mirsky" <eytanmirsky@hotmail.com>
Subject Re: Eric Carmen and Jimmy Ienner/Commercial
Date Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:37:50 -0400

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>From: audities-owner@smoe.org
>Reply-To: audities@smoe.org
>To: audities@smoe.org
>Subject: audities-digest V2 #619 (10 msgs)
>Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:00:29 -0400
>
>The Audities Digest: for the discussion of insanely great pop
>Volume 2 : Issue 619 : "text" Format
>
>Messages in this Issue:
>   Re: Anna's full IPO wrap up.                             
>[Popdude@aol.com]
>   Re: Anna's full IPO wrap up.         [Anna Borg 
><anna@tallboyrecords.com>]
>   Eric Carmen question, Johnny Nash and Yellow Pills
>                        ["floatingunder" 
><Steven.Durben@cignabehavioral.com>]
>   Re: Eric Carmen question,
>                        ["floatingunder" 
><Steven.Durben@cignabehavioral.com>]
>   Re: Eric Carmen question "The Tooth"   ["Miguel Motta" 
><motta_m@firn.edu>]
>   Re: Eric Carmen question                                 
>[Popdude@aol.com]
>   Re: New album with The Silos
>                               ["larry o dean" 
><larryodean@poetrycenter.org>]
>   Re: I Am Spam               ["larry o dean" 
><larryodean@poetrycenter.org>]
>   Re: Vinyl Candy                      [Anna Borg 
><anna@tallboyrecords.com>]
>   Commercializing My Song                ["Miguel Motta" 
><motta_m@firn.edu>]
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:08:38 EDT
>From: Popdude@aol.com
>To: audities@smoe.org
>Subject: Re: Anna's full IPO wrap up.
>Message-ID: <d4.13896262.2e4b1ff6@aol.com>
>
>Anna B. wrote:
>
><<There were definitely bands I thought weren’t up to IPO par yetâ€| 
>missed
>notes, out of tune guitars, lack of focus, that kind of thing.>>
>
>Oh, so you saw The Popdudes' set?
>
>John B.
>np: "I heart sparkle*jets u.k."
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:31:38 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Anna Borg <anna@tallboyrecords.com>
>To: audities@smoe.org
>Subject: Re: Anna's full IPO wrap up.
>Message-ID: <20040811073138.3836.qmail@web50909.mail.yahoo.com>
>
>oh you know I enjoyed the Popdudes.  stop fishing for
>compliments.
>
>anna
>
>
>
>--- Popdude@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Anna B. wrote:
> >
> > <<There were definitely bands I thought weren’t up
> > to IPO par yetâ€| missed
> > notes, out of tune guitars, lack of focus, that kind
> > of thing.>>
> >
> > Oh, so you saw The Popdudes' set?
> >
> > John B.
> > np: "I heart sparkle*jets u.k."
> >
>
>
>=====
>Anna Borg
>AIM: cakeab
>TallBoy Records
>P.O. Box 27757
>Los Angeles, CA 90027-0757
>
>http://www.tallboyrecords.com
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:32:51 -0000
>From: "floatingunder" <Steven.Durben@cignabehavioral.com>
>To: audities@smoe.org
>Subject: Eric Carmen question, Johnny Nash and Yellow Pills
>Message-ID: <cfd763+hb8a@eGroups.com>
>
>Trivia question:
>OK, I'm not losing sleep over this but I would love to know the
>answer. Every time I listen to "No Hard Feelings" I'm left wondering
>who is "The Tooth".  In a nutshell, the song chronicles the reason
>for Carmen's split with the Raspberries. Thus near the song's end
>Eric sings "So tomorrow come what may, looks like it's Ricky and the
>Tooth". I assume "Ricky" is the singer but who is the Tooth?  Every
>time I hear this song I'm left wondering who he is per it's such an
>autobiographical song. Anyone help?
>
>
>Greg said..
>The best bridge in pop music history is in "I Can See Clearly Now",
>the
>pop-reggae hit by Johnny Nash that was #1 for four weeks back in 1972
>and
>has been covered numerous times since.
>
>@@@I'd add, the most painful song ever to be subjected to a
>commercial. That dam Windex commercial darn near killed a great song.
>
>Regarding IPO Anna said..
>Oh, and Anton Barbeau was really great, he did my
>favorite song of his, "Octagon" and his banter was
>truly awesome.
>
>Ah Anna, I love "Octagon". It's my favorite song by Anton by a LONG
>shot. What is it about those Yellow Pills discs? Jordan Oakes has an
>ear, no? To my ears there are many songs that are on YP and are among
>the finest of the singer's repertoire (and some of these are
>exclusively on YP).
>
>Some that come to mind as my fav by the artist or near fav.. .
>
>"Speed Kills": Adam Schmidt (only on YP but one of my favs)
>"Is it any Wonder": Cowsills (YES, my fav but later released on
>Global)
>"Rest up": Jim Basnight (I always dug this song but never found much
>else I liked as well).
>"Disarray": Tommy Keene (YP only song. I may be in minority but it's
>in my Top 10 Keene songs)
>"Get to know you": Vandalias (great non album track)
>Michael Guthrie's track (the name escapes me but one of the better
>one's I've heard by him. Granted I only have "Direct Hits"))
>"Blue Summer": Cherry Twister (YP only right? My fav CT song)
>"Show and Tell": Richard Barone (Better then most of his solo work to
>my ears)
>
>There are others too I could come up with I'm sure (IMO)
>
>
>This is not always the case naturally. To my ears, Scott Miller of
>the Loud Family didn't give Jordan one of his many gems.
>Anyway, I have not listened to them in a long time, I may need to
>pull them out again.
>
>Steve D  NP: Loud Family "Days for Days"
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:06:03 -0000
>From: "floatingunder" <Steven.Durben@cignabehavioral.com>
>To: audities@smoe.org
>Subject: Re: Eric Carmen question,
>Message-ID: <cfd94b+v791@eGroups.com>
>
>Oddly enough..a birthday:
>
>Pop singer Eric Carmen, formerly of the Raspberries, in 1949
>(age 55).
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:40:47 -0400
>From: "Miguel Motta" <motta_m@firn.edu>
>To: <audities@smoe.org>
>Subject: Re: Eric Carmen question "The Tooth"
>Message-ID: <000601c47fb1$30cbad50$bca4c90a@2901145>
>
>Steve: Ever got a hold of a Raspberries vinyl LP cover and see a "toothy"
>smiley mouth on the back cover?... This should explain it better...
>
>People wondering why the album is dedicated to "Ricky and the Tooth" can be
>relieved. The reference is made to producer Jimmy lenner (who produced the
>Raspberries albums and now has gone on to work with Grand Funk and other
>major artists). lenner is "The Tooth" and "Ricky" is Eric, of course. The
>two are close friends and prove an unbeatable team on this album. lenner's
>finest work can be heard here, working with the variety of sounds this 
>album
>offers.
>
>Hope this helps...
>
>Cheers,
>
>Miguel
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "floatingunder" <Steven.Durben@cignabehavioral.com>
>To: <audities@smoe.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:32 AM
>Subject: Eric Carmen question, Johnny Nash and Yellow Pills
>
>
> > Trivia question:
> > OK, I'm not losing sleep over this but I would love to know the
> > answer. Every time I listen to "No Hard Feelings" I'm left wondering
> > who is "The Tooth".  In a nutshell, the song chronicles the reason
> > for Carmen's split with the Raspberries. Thus near the song's end
> > Eric sings "So tomorrow come what may, looks like it's Ricky and the
> > Tooth". I assume "Ricky" is the singer but who is the Tooth?  Every
> > time I hear this song I'm left wondering who he is per it's such an
> > autobiographical song. Anyone help?
> >
> >
> > Greg said..
> > The best bridge in pop music history is in "I Can See Clearly Now",
> > the
> > pop-reggae hit by Johnny Nash that was #1 for four weeks back in 1972
> > and
> > has been covered numerous times since.
> >
> > @@@I'd add, the most painful song ever to be subjected to a
> > commercial. That dam Windex commercial darn near killed a great song.
> >
> > Regarding IPO Anna said..
> > Oh, and Anton Barbeau was really great, he did my
> > favorite song of his, "Octagon" and his banter was
> > truly awesome.
> >
> > Ah Anna, I love "Octagon". It's my favorite song by Anton by a LONG
> > shot. What is it about those Yellow Pills discs? Jordan Oakes has an
> > ear, no? To my ears there are many songs that are on YP and are among
> > the finest of the singer's repertoire (and some of these are
> > exclusively on YP).
> >
> > Some that come to mind as my fav by the artist or near fav.. .
> >
> > "Speed Kills": Adam Schmidt (only on YP but one of my favs)
> > "Is it any Wonder": Cowsills (YES, my fav but later released on
> > Global)
> > "Rest up": Jim Basnight (I always dug this song but never found much
> > else I liked as well).
> > "Disarray": Tommy Keene (YP only song. I may be in minority but it's
> > in my Top 10 Keene songs)
> > "Get to know you": Vandalias (great non album track)
> > Michael Guthrie's track (the name escapes me but one of the better
> > one's I've heard by him. Granted I only have "Direct Hits"))
> > "Blue Summer": Cherry Twister (YP only right? My fav CT song)
> > "Show and Tell": Richard Barone (Better then most of his solo work to
> > my ears)
> >
> > There are others too I could come up with I'm sure (IMO)
> >
> >
> > This is not always the case naturally. To my ears, Scott Miller of
> > the Loud Family didn't give Jordan one of his many gems.
> > Anyway, I have not listened to them in a long time, I may need to
> > pull them out again.
> >
> > Steve D  NP: Loud Family "Days for Days"
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:05:40 EDT
>From: Popdude@aol.com
>To: audities@smoe.org
>Subject: Re: Eric Carmen question
>Message-ID: <1d1.283a2a67.2e4b81b4@aol.com>
>
>S. Durben:
>
><<Every time I listen to "No Hard Feelings" I'm left wondering who is "The
>Tooth". In a nutshell, the song chronicles the reason for Carmen's split 
>with
>the Raspberries. Thus near the song's end Eric sings "So tomorrow come what 
>may,
>looks like it's Ricky and the Tooth". I assume "Ricky" is the singer but 
>who
>is the Tooth? Every
>time I hear this song I'm left wondering who he is per it's such an
>autobiographical song. Anyone help?>>
>
>"The Tooth" is Raspberries/Eric Carmen producer Jimmy "Teeth" Ienner and 
>yes,
>"Ricky" is Mr. Carmen himself....
>
>John B.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:22:30 GMT
>From: "larry o dean" <larryodean@poetrycenter.org>
>To: audities@smoe.org
>Subject: Re: New album with The Silos
>Message-ID: <20040811142230.15446.qmail@ns15.zabco.net>
>
>jchasin@nyc.rr.com writes:
>
> > Big fan of Walter and the Silos; will probably have to pick this one up.
>
>Roger that. New Silos due this or next month too, on either Dualtone or New
>West.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:25:11 GMT
>From: "larry o dean" <larryodean@poetrycenter.org>
>To: audities@smoe.org
>Subject: Re: I Am Spam
>Message-ID: <20040811142511.23706.qmail@ns15.zabco.net>
>
>Michael Coxe writes:
>
> > larry o dean wrote:
> >> Jonathan reminded me that I'd like to let folks know too that I'm about
> >> to release my seventh book of poetry, "I Am Spam," a series of poems
> >> "inspired" by spam email.
> >
> > Because I thought he was dumping on Jonathan I checked it out and Larry
> > does in fact has a new book of poetry as stated. Jonathan's been an
> > Audities
> > subscriber since ~day one which made me a bit protective.
>
>Thanks, Michael!
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:48:29 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Anna Borg <anna@tallboyrecords.com>
>To: audities@smoe.org
>Subject: Re: Vinyl Candy
>Message-ID: <20040811144829.91508.qmail@web50905.mail.yahoo.com>
>
>For Los Angeles residents, please note Vinyl Candy are
>playing several shows in early September, Sept. 3 at
>Club Lingerie (at 1:30 in the afternoon?), and the
>Whiskey a Go Go on Sept. 5 at 8:30
>
>
>Is it correct that these are the first true live shows
>for the band?  that's nutty!
>
>sounds fun, though.  I'll see if I can feather my
>hair.
>
>anna
>
>--- Andrew <andrew@vinylcandy.com> wrote:
>
> > I am brand new to this board and with that I come
> > with a humble heart and an open mind... with much
> > respect.
> >
> > Craig Leve of "Snap, Crackle, POP" KWVA, Eugene -
> > really thought I should join this discussion group.
> > Craig Leve has and is playing our album every week
> > indefinately on his show.
> > Bruce Brodeen of Notlame.com has been selling out of
> > our CD
> > "Pacific Ocean Park" from his site.
> > Vinyl Candy is the band
> > www.vinylcandy.com
> >
> > Hopefully you will find something in our music to
> > make you interested.
> > It is chock full of power pop Jellyfish styled rock.
> >
> > You can email me directly at
> > andrew@vinylcandy.com
> >
> > Much Love,
> >
> > Andrew Lehmkuhl
> > Vinyl Candy
> > www.vinylcandy.com
> >
>
>
>=====

I'm no Raspberries expert, but I did work as a sound editor on a film called 
"Let It Be Me," on which Jimmy Ienner was music consultant. This film was 
written and directed by Eleanor Bergstein who wrote "Dirty Dancing," which 
Ienner had also worked on. Clearly, Ienner resurrected Carmen's career by 
getting Carmen's musin in "Dirty Dancing."

As far as that other question about putting your one hit wonder into a 
commercial, I personally would do it in a minute. It's only rock and roll...

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