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From "Michael Bennett" <mrhonorama@hotmail.com>
Subject Post-poll thoughts (RE: Admin Questions)
Date Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:15:14 -0600

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Dan --

This year, 173 Auditeers submitted votes.  Two years ago, 179 folks voted, 
the highest total in seven years of the poll.

Jason observed that majors had a larger presence than before, and I checked 
the past results, and, of course, he's right!  There have been years where 
only a handful of major label discs made the list.

There are two things that may explain this --

1.  It just so happens that a lot of artists with Audities appeal happened 
to be on majors.  Looking past the majors, a few of the 11 indies are not 
too far from majors, in that you can walk into any store and get something 
on Rykodisc (Josh Rouse) or V2 (The White Stripes, Grandaddy).  The 
distinction means less.

2.  If you look at the indie artists on the top 20, they have something in 
common -- they all are, to one extent or another, established artists.  IKE 
is the only debut record, but with the John Faye connection, it's still not 
like a total rookie.  The highest placing debut on an indie, other than IKE, 
was The Singles at #25.  Meanwhile, Rooney, The Thrills and Jet all placed 
debut records in the top 20 (my theory about IKE applies much more so to 
'supergroup' The Thorns).

I think indie artists need a bit more time to permeate a wider audience, 
even one that's as keen (I mean, of course, both keen in the sense of 
demanding and acute, and the sense of being, you know, keen) as the Audities 
list.  For example, The Shins and The New Pornographers did not make the Top 
20 with their debut albums.  And word of mouth rippled, so that by the time 
album two came out, they had a much larger audience.  (Ex. -- The NPs first 
show on ELECTRIC VERSION in Chicago at 1,000 seat venue, The Shins on CHUTES 
TOO NARROW at 1,200 seater).

This effect may be somewhat exacerbated when we have a larger number of 
voters, because when there's a larger pool of voters, there are probably 
more voters who buy a limited number of discs -- and their purchases are 
likely to skew to the titles that are more commonly known and available.  
This is totally a theory.

And one more thought --

3.  When I joined the Audities group in 1997, I joined at a very exciting 
time.  There was an explosion in the power pop and pop world.  A convergence 
of factors (cheaper recordings costs, the Internet, labels like Not Lame and 
Jam and, at the time, Big Deal) suddenly gave an outlet to a lot of artists 
with a general common pop sensibility.  Throw in Poptopia and then IPO, and 
these artists not only could sell their records, they had a place where they 
could play and get the type of validation that folks playing pop and power 
pop in the early '90s couldn't have dreamed of.

While this was going on, melodic pop was also finding vogue with a younger 
constituency.  Whether it was Belle & Sebastian or Elephant 6 or Pernice 
Brothers, melodic pop also hit.  And of course, in Sweden, just as one 
example, you had power pop bands, bands taking a Cardigans/Saint Etienne 
path and lots of other '60s influenced acts.

So, just 6 or 7 years ago, I think there was this intense focus.  If you 
were a big power pop fan or '60s pop fan or (name subgenre), you could learn 
about a bunch of bands and explore them.  I think that this focus has 
diminished, in part because it's really danged hard to keep it up, and in 
part, because the newness has worn off.  It's not that there aren't plenty 
of good pop and power pop records coming out -- it's that there are so many.

It's weird.  What we call pop is not popular, chartwise (with a few 
exceptions).  And yet, more artists seem to be playing in these pop styles 
than ever.  Which actually makes it harder for them to break through or 
develop a larger following.  Thus, the pop artist who ends up on a major or 
a bettern known indie has a tremendous advantage.

Enough rambling --

Mike Bennett

NP:  Don Rich and The Buckaroos -- COUNTRY PICKIN' (The Don Rich Anthology)



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>From: "Franke, Dan" <DFranke@proficientdata.com>
>Reply-To: audities@smoe.org
>To: "'audities@smoe.org'" <audities@smoe.org>
>Subject: Admin Questions
>Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:10:18 -0600
>
>Out of curiosity...
>
>Michael Coxe -
>Do you have a tally of the total number of list members?
>
>Michael Bennett -
>You said that it was the second largest voter turn out.
>How many people voted this year & what's the record?
>
>Thanks
>
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