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| From | "Michael Bennett" <mrhonorama@hotmail.com> |
| Subject | Re: Results (and 2004 planning) |
| Date | Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:28:50 -0600 |
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Scott --
I may have jumped the gun this morning when I typed this, but I do take the
poll pretty seriously. And your joke, by mentioning Outkast, bascially
pressed a button for me. (Bill Mastro's post re: lawyers, was also pretty
spot on -- Bill, you know me too well!)
Again, as I stated at the beginning of my prior post, a 2004 release
database is a great idea. I certainly didn't doubt your sincerity.
Mike Bennett
Record reviews and more at http://fufkin.com
>From: "Scott Pazur" <powerpop@z3d.net>
>Reply-To: audities@smoe.org
>To: <audities@smoe.org>
>Subject: Re: Results (and 2004 planning)
>Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:21:11 -0500
>
>Geez Mike, it was only a joke, and an offer to save you a little trouble.
>I
>certainly have plenty of other things I can do with my little spare time.
>I
>already did the web/database page to accumulate the 2003 releases when you
>started this years poll, so you should have known my offer was sincere.
>I'll go back to lurking mode, not worth piping up sometimes.
>
>Scott
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: audities-owner@smoe.org [mailto:audities-owner@smoe.org] On Behalf Of
>Michael Bennett
>Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:06 AM
>To: audities@smoe.org
>Subject: Re: Results (and 2004 planning)
>
>The idea of a 2004 new release database is a good one. Anything that helps
>remind people what came out during the year is a useful tool.
>
>However, this second paragraph of your post, spotlighted below, is
>troubling
>for a few reasons.
>
>First, your comment regarding Outkast is, probably inadvertently, extremely
>condescending to those of us who voted for and really enjoyed THE LOVE
>BELOW/SPEAKERBOXXX. It can be inferred from your statement that those of
>us
>who voted for the disc (and that's a substantial number of voters) would
>not
>have done so if we had been more aware of what came out in 2004. What were
>we thinking.
>
>Second, you explicitly note that the database you propose could be used so
>someone could strategically vote to keep a release out of the Top 20.
>Putting aside the question of whether enough people would vote in this
>manner to achieve such a result, I would say that if this is a major
>purpose
>behind having a database, we're much better off without it. Quite frankly,
>anyone who would submit a Top 20 list that is solely to influence the final
>results (especially to keep something out) is a damned fool. I presume
>that
>everyone here who submits their list is submitting a list that reflects
>their favorite releases of the year, nothing more, nothing less. For
>example, I hope nobody did this: 'I can't stand Rooney. Even though I
>don't own the New Pornographers record and haven't heard it, I'm going to
>vote for them at # 3, so they overtake those accursed teeny popsters!').
>
>Finally, I'm not quite clear on this, but I think you indicate that perhaps
>some sort of running vote tally could be kept. I would not be in favor of
>this. In fact, this year I tried to scale back on the updated standings.
>Ideally, I'd never post the updates. However, I started doing that because
>it always seemed to promote voting. So it's a tradition. I've always been
>concerned it could influence voters (in the negative way I described
>before), but I do believe that generally, no one votes that way.
>
>So those are my thoughts --
>
>Mike Bennett
>
>Record reviews and more at http://fufkin.com
>
> >From: "Scott Pazur" <powerpop@z3d.net>
>
>
> >If we get all the releases into the database, I can save Mike a lot of
> >hassle by making the poll results dynamic, where changes are possible
> >up to the final bell, and you can see the current standings at any time
> >during the polling process. (That way I know what CDs to vote for to
> >get Outkast out of the list. Not that I would do that, but I still
> >can't believe how anyone on this list likes that crap)
>
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