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| From | "Jaimie Vernon" <bullseyecanada@hotmail.com> |
| Subject | Re: live track tricks |
| Date | Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:07:08 -0400 |
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At Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:30:26 Billy wrote:
>I heard rumors that Eddie Kramer mixed in sound effects from NFL football
>crouds on Kiss "Alive!" and later "Frampton Comes Alive" to create the
>effect
>of these then little known acts playing for thousands of fans instead of a
>few
>hundred or less.
For anyone that's actually engineered a live album (I've done five....four
of which we've released on our label), it becomes obvious in the early
stages of the mix whether a crowd needs to be augmented or not.
In many cases the only way to properly mix certain instruments --
particularly with vocals -- is to compress the crap out of them so that all
the ambient shit from the audience is squashed...this way there is an
element of control with that instrument. By doing this on every instrument
often times the audience ends up "dead" in the overall mix....even with
ambient mikes in the hall sometimes there isn't enough "ambience" to pull
off a convincing audio track of crowd reaction. So you have to add it back
in.
Occasionally there is the need to re-cut flubs in the studio on what might
otherwise be a spectacular song...I recall one such album where the lead
singer/guitarist was doing a duet with a drunken patron into a single
microphone -- and the guy kept stepping on the guitar chord....cutting in
and out during the song. As this was the band's biggest hit and the only
useable take from several nights of recording, we had to replace the guitar
track in post-production.....but the ambient microphones in the hall still
had traces of the screwed up guitar parts....so the crowd had to be
eliminated in that song and noises from other parts of the show substituted
in to make it sound convincing.
On another recording we had to wipe the entire audience track because the
ambient hall mikes were feeding back through the whole show......and another
show I recall we took about 3/4's of the audience out because some nimrod in
the audience found the mikes and yelled into them through the course of the
whole show....and then there's those annoying assholes who spend the entire
gig going "Woooohoooooo" over and over again.....or whistling......
Jaimie Vernon,
President,
Bullseye Records of Canada, Inc.
http://www.bullseyecanada.com
"Not Suing Our Customers Since 1985!"
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