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| From | "Sager, Greg" <greg.sager@bankofamerica.com> |
| Subject | Re: ABC ... it's easy as 1,2,3 |
| Date | Mon, 07 Jul 2003 01:49:10 -0500 |
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> Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 04:09:40 -0400
> From: Stewart Mason <flamingo@theworld.com>
> To: audities@smoe.org, audities@smoe.org
> Subject: Re: ABC ... it's easy as 1,2,3
> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20030704040940.00bc7b18@pop.theworld.com>
>
> At 01:49 AM 7/4/2003 -0500, Sager, Greg wrote:
> > I speak English, not Spanish, so any act that uses a Spanish
> >definite article (e.g., Los Lobos, Los Bravos, Los Super Seven) gets
> filed
> >under "Los".
>
> That strikes me as a direct contradiction of what you say below. By this
> logic, you're saying that, say, Rafael Neto and Rick Gagnon should file
> all
> their Beatles records under T, to use the prevailing example, since they
> speak Spanish and French. I don't own many records by bands that use Los,
> Les, Das or whatever, but I don't believe they should be filed under the
> article.
>
It's not a direct contradiction, because how Rafael and Rick choose
to file their Beatles records is their own business, not mine. As I said, my
collection is tailored to suit the purposes of Anglophones.
The only Latin American release of a Beatles album that I've ever
seen was a Uruguayan version of *Help!* (*Soccoro!*) that a college friend
of mine owned. It was credited to Los Beatles; I don't know how widespread
the practice was and/or is of nativizing the definite article in a band's
name on a south-of-the-border release, but if it was/is widespread then your
point may be moot.
(The album, which corresponded to the UK version of *Help!*, also
listed the song titles in Spanish. Hence, "Revoltosa Senorita Lizzy" for
"Dizzy Miss Lizzie"; "Otra Chicka" for "Another Girl"; etc.)
FWIW, the two "Los" bands whose albums I own (Los Lobos and Los
Bravos) recorded primarily in English. It's another reason to file them
Anglophonically, although the consistency behind that particular reason goes
out *la puerta* if I ever buy a Los Van Van or a Los Fabulosos Cadillacs
album!
BTW, isn't Rafael a Brazilian? That would make him a Portuguese
speaker, not Spanish.
> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 07:14:24 -0700
> From: "bryan" <munki100@pacbell.net>
> To: <audities@smoe.org>
> Subject: Re: ABC ... it's easy as 1,2,3
> Message-ID: <002f01c34236$926eada0$00e8fea9@pacbell.net>
>
> > Martin Luther Lennon and Alice Cooper, bands whose frontmen adopted
> > stage names identical to the names of their respective bands, are filed
> > under "L" and "C" respectively
>
> Most record stores, rock (oops! I mean hard pop) music encyclopedias
> and yes, even All Music Guide (both online and off) list the fictious band
>
> name of Alice Cooper under "A" -- just like Jethro Tull is listed under
> "J."
>
That's not an accurate parallel. The frontman of the band adopted
Alice Cooper as first his *nom de rock* and subsequently his legal name,
whereas neither Ian Anderson nor anyone else in Jethro Tull ever took the
band's name as his own (much to the relief of all those people who have
common interests in both seventies prog rock and eighteenth-century English
agricultural technology).
And I tend to see Alice Cooper listed under "C" in record stores
more often than under "A".
> Even the subsequent solo recordings by Cooper are listed under "A" and
> often they're mixed in with the original Alice Cooper band's releases.
>
... which implies to me a sense of confusion lurking behind that
method, as a solo artist recording under his own name should naturally be
listed by surname ("C" rather than "A"). While it makes practical sense to
group all recordings attributed to Alice Cooper together, a stickler would
say, "Well, the albums recorded when Alice Cooper was a band *and* a singer
should be under 'A', and the albums recorded just by the singer should be
under 'C'."
I own Alice Cooper albums dated both before and after he parted ways
with Messrs. Bruce, Buxton, Dunaway, and Smith. I went with expediency over
sticklerdom in this instance, deciding to file all of them together. And
since, as I said, he's been Alice Cooper throughout his entire 36-year
recording career, whereas the band of which he was a member was only called
Alice Cooper from 1968-1974, I went with "C".
>
> Check it out: http://makeashorterlink.com/?G50112725 As for Martin
> Luther Lennon, I *believe* (not 100% sure) that those are listed under "L"
> but for Luther, and not Lennon -- as far as I can tell. What say you, Tony
>
> Perkins?
>
Why in the world would they be listed under "Luther"?
David Bash mentioned that he thought Tony Perkins never intended to
use Martin Luther Lennon as a personal alias rather than merely as a band
name. But on *Music For a World Without Limitations* Perkins does in fact
use Martin Luther Lennon as his personal alias in the credits. His real name
doesn't appear anywhere on the CD. I don't own *Escape From Paradox Island*,
so I can't speak to the credits listed on that album other than to say that
AMG lists the auteur in question as MLL rather than Tony Perkins in the
credits for both albums.
Gregory Sager
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