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| From | "josh chasin" <jchasin@nyc.rr.com> |
| Subject | Re: Sgt Peppers remixed. |
| Date | Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:38:23 -0400 |
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You know, there are probably plenty of people under the age of, say, 25 who
could say that totally without irony. Like, kids who grew up with Nirvana
and Green Day, and the Beatles to them is what Steve and Edie were to me--
my PARENTS' uncool music.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christobal" <plattc@optonline.net>
To: <audities@smoe.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: Sgt Peppers remixed.
> I've never heard the Beatles. I just never felt motivated to do so.
>
> I just felt like saying so.
>
> (Sorry. Couldn't resist. Removing tongue from cheek now.)
>
> Christopher
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: audities-owner@smoe.org
> > [mailto:audities-owner@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jaimie Vernon
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 11:47 AM
> > To: audities@smoe.org
> > Subject: Re: Sgt Peppers remixed.
> >
> >
> > At Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 11:16:16 Mark wrote:
> >
> > >Ok, sometimes I may be in a quiet mood, but usually I want
> > real impact
> > >from my music. Perhaps this is one reason why some
> > enthusiasts prefer
> > >>the mono mix? I definitely wouldn't go as far as to want
> > that. So I
> > >>mucked with the music using some stereo plugins, in order to create
> > >the >blend, while still preserving the stereo effect, and created my
> > >own >version of this album. As an example, here's the first
> > 2 minutes
> > >of "A >Day in the Life", before and after samples. I
> > selected this one
> > >as an >example, because they especially mess with the vocals here.
> > >Initially >they are in the right channel, then in the
> > middle, and then
> > >finally in >the left channel, something which I might have one found
> > >cool, but now >find annoying. Creating a blend helps to make the
> > >transitions seem >less
> > >severe:
> > >
> > >http://web.mit.edu/london/www/beat/beatles_orig.mp3
> > >
> > >http://web.mit.edu/london/www/beat/beatles_remix.mp3
> > >
> > >A few weeks ago I also mentioned about the supposed defects
> > I heard on
> > >>the
> > >Sgt Peppers CD which I had just bought. Actually, comparing
> > to the >LP,
> > >the same "defects" are there also. Mostly, I guess I'm
> > hearing >artifacts
> > >caused by the heavy compression and other processing
> > >techniques that were
> > >used. I.e., notice on some songs how hard the K >and P are
> > in some words.
> > >I fixed as many of these as I could.
> >
> > An interesting mix. But, I've got to ask: why?
> >
> > You're trying to impose 21st Century expectations on a 35 year old
> > recording. That's like bitching about the 2-track mixes of
> > Robert Johnson
> > material from 1923.
> >
> > These are snapshots of the creative process from a specific
> > time period. And
> > they had technical limitations. Pepper was recorded using two 4-track
> > machines run in parallel. The single channel issue (with
> > vocals in one side
> > and the reverb return the other) was part of an audio
> > standard at the time.
> >
> > I've been in recording studios in recent years where
> > engineers lose their
> > ever-loving minds when a tambourine is panned to the left and
> > the maracca in
> > the right. They don't get it. They think everything should be
> > broad spectrum
> > with everything centred in the stereo mix.
> >
> > Sorry, the human ear doesn't hear sound that way. We don't
> > perform music
> > live in single-file....so why should our audio recordings be
> > presented that
> > way?
> >
> > But, I digress.
> >
> > Guess my point is, why is it so important to correct the
> > falibility of a
> > record that was intended to sound exactly the way it does?
> > The Beatles
> > haven't gone back to remix it, so why should anyone else?
> >
> > >In any event, after all the hoopla about the production, that part
> > >>doesn't
> > >have much of an impact for me any longer.
> >
> > Of course not. Because the technical feat achieved in
> > producing the record
> > can be duplicated NOW with a few plug-ins on a computer. You have to
> > understand that the album was ground breaking, sonically, for
> > its time.
> >
> > >But what does still stand out is the great catchy hooks and
> > lyrics, and
> > > >especially the cool vocals. Could Lennon really sing in
> > that high a
> > > >register, or was that due to speeding up the tapes? Well,
> > whatever the
> > > >case, it's those things that make this a really great pop album.
> > > >Entertaining, fun to listen to and to sing along with, and
> > with one or >2
> > >exceptions (i.e. "Within You Without You") a very consistent album,
> > >>i.e.
> > >one that doesn't have too much jarring different songs.
> >
> > Hmmmm..."She's Leaving Home" and "Good Morning" are similar?
> > These tunes
> > could been recorded by two-different bands never mind been on
> > two different
> > albums.
> >
> > >I.e., Compare Sgt Peppersto Abbey Road, which IMHO is very overrated.
> > > >There, you are bounced between upbeat pop songs and heavy
> > durge like
> > > >songs such as "Something" named "I Want You". Plus, the
> > nonsensical
> > > >lyrics on that LP have zilch impact on me and simply bore me. And
> > > >Lennon's vocals are now sounding like a rocker rather than
> > the sweet >pop
> > >vocals on Sgt Peppers. I don't understand how people think
> > Abbey >Road
> > >is
> > >a great album. Yes, some songs are great, but I don't think
> > it >stacks up
> > >with any of the prior albums. I simply can't listen to the
> > >plodging and
> > >nonsense songs any more, even after not hearing them for >many years.
> >
> > And "Lovely Rita" was such a serious opus. Seriously, the
> > comparison thing
> > was always ridiculous just by virtue of the fact that it was
> > created by a
> > band who'd recorded a few albums between them. They'd grown, they'd
> > changed...for better or worse. Peppers was a studio
> > concoction during its
> > creation. Abbey Road was a studio concoction during the editing.
> >
> > >So is Sgt Peppers the best album of all time? Of course
> > not. There is
> > >>no
> > >such thing. Art and music is subjective, and even for a
> > given >person,
> > >that person is going to like different music at different
> > >times. But,
> > >IMHO, it is one of the best albums of all time.
> >
> > Now, this I can agree with....
> >
> >
> >
> > Jaimie Vernon,
> > President,
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> >
> >
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