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| From | Eb <ElBroome@earthlink.net> |
| Subject | Re: Another Poll |
| Date | Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:01:52 -0800 |
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>Michael Bennett:
>On the other hand, that's not all it's cracked up to be -- Beck has
>a personal vision on his new platter, and it's a very boring one
>indeed.
Needless to say, there are an awful lot of well-versed music fans who
disagree with you. See the Pazz & Jop results, which were posted
today.
>I think that it's folly to paint all 35 artists with a broad brush
>and say they are merely have the moves down.
I never made such a harsh division, saying one list was all good and
the other was all bad. I just pointed out the contrasting
orientations of the two lists, and the area where they intersected.
But yes, I certainly think the CoF list was miles more credible as a
guide to what's new and interesting in "guitar pop." More
songwriters, less simulators.
>Again, as I stated in my first response, all of the records (maybe
>with the exception of Bowie) got decent support in the poll, and
>certainly would have been in the Top 75 to 100.
Not good enough, considering what landed in the top 50.
>Your attacks on the tastes of a portion of the listmembers would
>have more credibility if they weren't ad hoc, but specified the
>artists or records with which you feel aren't up to snuff. As it
>stands, with the exception of ocassional asides, it's hard to
>ascertain what you actually like.
What, so now I'm back to square one and being asked to compile
another dreary "Here's all the stuff I like...dig me" post, such as
was demanded the first time a conflict arose? It made me cringe
enough, doing it back then. No thank you.
I don't post much about my new finds because they usually aren't
relevant to the list's niche of music, which turned out to be far
more restrictive than I expected. However, even after the solicited
"...dig me" post, I can recall making varying-degrees-of-positive
comments this year about relevant acts including Kristian Hoffman,
Mull Historical Society, the Vines, Weezer, Elvis Costello, Guided by
Voices, Hot Hot Heat, Great Lakes, Super Furry Animals, Of Montreal,
Glenn Tilbrook, Neil Finn and the Wondermints. All of those easily
fall within the niche.
Other 2002 albums which I substantially liked (in no order) include
those by Tom Waits, Cornelius, Paul Westerberg, Enon, Badly Drawn
Boy, Jurassic 5, Beck, Ed Harcourt, Bryan Ferry, Of Montreal, the
Soft Boys, Beth Orton, Interpol, Sonic Youth, Neil Young, the Flaming
Lips and QOTSA. Add Pere Ubu, Guided by Voices and Sleater-Kinney,
which I'm sure I'll like but just haven't bought yet. These names
will probably make you want to smirk something more about "safe as
milk," which in turn would put thoughts in my head about how utterly
"harmless" most of the bands discussed here are. Even if they are
righteously obscure.
> Since all I see are a series of declamatory posts, rather than an
>attempt to persuade or introduce us to new, worthy pop records, you
>come off like an ass.
I've tried the positive route, already. See above. When you're not of
The Body, both positive and negative posts fall on equally deaf ears.
Look what happened in the previous post -- I included a Cornelius
endorsement, and Stewy Spiteful just jumped on it with crass
vulgarity. Either that, or the thumbs-up is ignored altogether
(obviously your own method of choice, since "all" you see are
negative posts). Same old. Why bother?
>Since that's not likely to happen, what pleasure can you derive from
>constant digs to this list?
Very little. Which is why I'll be leaving shortly. Mostly, I was only
lingering to see if a couple of late 2002 polls ignited any
interesting, non-IPOcentric dialogue.
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>"Ryan Hoekstra" <erhoek@attbi.com>:
>I don't think Fantasma was that good and Point was/is less interesting than
>Fantasma .Of course I have never been a fan of continuous tape loops forming
>the framework for music.
The Point compositions twist and turn far too much to be described as
"continuous tape loops."
I like Point a little better, myself.
>What is it about having your choices validated by Pazz and Jop and whatever
>other hipster surveys that is so important?
>Be an individual. Like what you like because you enjoy it. Don't go looking
>for some sort of acceptance from people you don't even know and probably
>will never meet.
>Egad!
Rings rather hollow on a list which whines about its pet bands' lack
of popularity far, far more than I ever do.
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